I'm not going to get into the whole religious side of this issue, I don't know enough about the old and new testaments to be able to back up what I say about those. At least I'm intelligent and wise enough to not go making stuff up just to suit my purpose. I'm not religious, but I was raised in a methodist church, so I know a little about tolerance. I generally look down on close-minded people who refuse to think about why they believe what they believe. But! That isn't the point of this.
The real point of this is that some conservatives say gays have the same marriage rights as straights. Any one consenting man is allowed to marry any one consenting woman, regardless of sexual orientation. But that's not actually equal rights. Gays are being denied the right to marry someone they're attracted to, someone they'd want to marry even if given the choice of any human partner. Straights can marry someone they're attracted to, why can't gays?
I know enough about christianity to be able to tell for myself that neither god or Jesus wrote the bible. People, <i>christian</i> people wrote it. Jesus taught tolerance, forgiveness (The whole seventy times seven thing? Matthew 18:21-2. Yeah, I've read the bible), and universal love. He condemned grudges and all that promoted the idea that someone was better or righter than another. Jesus is the prophet of christianity, the main figure. Not god. It's called christianity after Christ, it's not called Godity. God's word can be interpreted how you want, but Jesus, assuming he was a specific person, said concrete things that should not be skewed for your own benefit.
God is wrathful, Jesus was not. This religion is supposed to be about what Jesus said, how HE related to god. Why does no one know this any more? They get so wrapped up in carring out "god's will" that they forget that they are subject to it too. What happened to Jesus's will and ideals?
The real point of this is that some conservatives say gays have the same marriage rights as straights. Any one consenting man is allowed to marry any one consenting woman, regardless of sexual orientation. But that's not actually equal rights. Gays are being denied the right to marry someone they're attracted to, someone they'd want to marry even if given the choice of any human partner. Straights can marry someone they're attracted to, why can't gays?
I know enough about christianity to be able to tell for myself that neither god or Jesus wrote the bible. People, <i>christian</i> people wrote it. Jesus taught tolerance, forgiveness (The whole seventy times seven thing? Matthew 18:21-2. Yeah, I've read the bible), and universal love. He condemned grudges and all that promoted the idea that someone was better or righter than another. Jesus is the prophet of christianity, the main figure. Not god. It's called christianity after Christ, it's not called Godity. God's word can be interpreted how you want, but Jesus, assuming he was a specific person, said concrete things that should not be skewed for your own benefit.
God is wrathful, Jesus was not. This religion is supposed to be about what Jesus said, how HE related to god. Why does no one know this any more? They get so wrapped up in carring out "god's will" that they forget that they are subject to it too. What happened to Jesus's will and ideals?
"But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just."
~ Luke 14:13 &14
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God"
Gay marriage and seperation of church and state:Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s?”
~ (Matthew 22:21)
~ Matthew 5:9
~ Luke 14:13 &14
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God"
Gay marriage and seperation of church and state:Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s?”
~ (Matthew 22:21)
~ Matthew 5:9
by JakeNotCliff October 3, 2007
Get the gay marriagemug. ok... first of all... marriage is a religious institution, but not of christianity. the pagans, woulds, and germanic tribes of europe were doing it way, WAY before christianity came about. so were various tribes and religions all over the world. many of them weren't polygomous, so don't start with no gay or bi marriages.
second of all, you cannot choose to be gay. you do not turn gay later in life, you realize it. it's a mutation in the genes. if you don't believe me, try to turn yourself gay. honestly, if you think you can turn yourself gay and then back, you shouldn't be afraid. turn yourself gay. sexually want someone of the same gender. it isn't easy, is it? neither is forcing your genetic structure to follow society's standards just because christians said so.
in the end, religion doesn't decide the laws of our country. morals and needs do. basic human morals are being kind to your fellow man, not banning the ability to love another man. it's religious morals. don't force religion on people, don't force sexuality on people. gays have never done anything like that to you.
second of all, you cannot choose to be gay. you do not turn gay later in life, you realize it. it's a mutation in the genes. if you don't believe me, try to turn yourself gay. honestly, if you think you can turn yourself gay and then back, you shouldn't be afraid. turn yourself gay. sexually want someone of the same gender. it isn't easy, is it? neither is forcing your genetic structure to follow society's standards just because christians said so.
in the end, religion doesn't decide the laws of our country. morals and needs do. basic human morals are being kind to your fellow man, not banning the ability to love another man. it's religious morals. don't force religion on people, don't force sexuality on people. gays have never done anything like that to you.
actually i'd like to see an example of gays ganging up on straight people because they're straight, or trying to pass laws based on their sexuality. apparently a lot of people thing gays need to leave straights alone. why can't they stand to leave gay marriage alone?
by gypsys_child July 28, 2008
Get the gay marriagemug. The ultimate expression of love between two people who love each other under a religious system.
Often thought as oximoronic under some religions, and compared to other such unworldly love (ie. bestiality). Often ignored is the fact that humans are not mere animals (at least according to the same religions).
Often thought as oximoronic under some religions, and compared to other such unworldly love (ie. bestiality). Often ignored is the fact that humans are not mere animals (at least according to the same religions).
Lucy and Victoria have followed the word of God on a daily basis. However, because they want to express their love under the very system they charish, they shall be sent to Hell.
by Julius March 3, 2004
Get the gay marriagemug. Something that the government cannot administer under Constitutional law, neither can they administer opposite-sex marriages.
Why doesn't anybody realize that the US government administering any type of marriage, (be it gay marriage or not) a traditionally *religious* institution, violates separation of church and state?
by RHS Student February 18, 2005
Get the gay marriagemug. by Searching for a third party. March 14, 2005
Get the gay marriagemug. by Dave Foley February 19, 2005
Get the gay marriagemug. The ability of two people in the US to enjoy certain benefits alotted to them for BS religious reasons. Marriage is unconstitutional, but what's even worse than that is banning only gays from it for religiosu reasons. You know where else gays can't get married? Nigeria, the Phillipines, Iran, places full of religious nuts. Oh, and just to be sure, Christianity is completely anti-gay. It comes from the New Testament, from Paul. He says they deserves to die, and compares them to all the worst sins of the world (also says non-believers and idolaters need to die, too, just to be fair). Romans 1:18-32
I wonder what the apostle Paul would say about gay marriage...
18
The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19
For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20
Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21
for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22
While claiming to be wise, they became fools
23
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24
Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26
Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27
and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
28
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
29
They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
30
and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
31
They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32
Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
18
The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19
For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20
Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21
for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22
While claiming to be wise, they became fools
23
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24
Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26
Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27
and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
28
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
29
They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
30
and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
31
They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32
Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
by CountJulian April 9, 2006
Get the gay marriagemug.