People who associate themselves or often get associated with the so-called "gothic" movement, a musical style that evolved out of british post-punk and US punk, but which is now really a collection of very diversified, "darker" styles of more electronic or more guitar-ridden music. In "goth" clubs, original "gothic rock" styles got mixed with industrial/EBM music, New Wave and some alternative styles since the late 80ies. In the mid-90ies, labels and magazines promoted some so-called "gothic metal" and "industrial metal" bands out of commercial reasons, and because there were certain parallels in look and imagery of these bands to the gothic scene. In these Days, bands like Paradise Lost or Type o Negative, which were really "softer", sometimes romantic heavy metal bands were massively hyped, leading to newbies back then ignoring the original styles of the movement for those acts. In the Noughties, the metal trend waned and was replaced by another new trend towards a softer, melody-orientated form of EBM: "Future Pop" played by groups like VNV Nation and Apoptygma Berzerk. Additionally, very techno-orientated noise music by bands like Combichrist was getting heavy rotation in the clubs. Both styles are more accessible and easier to consume than former styles and tend to more and more replace all other styles of music associated with gothic scene in the club playlists, which leads to conflicts between "purists" and - usually somewhat younger - fans of the new style.
Actually, there is no proper definition of a special attitude, behaviour or quality of "goth" people. It's just the crowd which is into certain branches of the musical styles associated with goth, which is more or less openly involved in the visuals by dressing up sometimes or all the time in "gothic styles" and which is seen frequently in the nightclubs, at festivals and concerts. So all these narcisstic morons around here, trying to describe goths (i.e. themselves) as especially intelligent, more artistic or non-conformist as the rest are really just indulging themselves in pathetic attempts to talk others into sharing their own deluded self-perception.
If there is a positive attribute you can quite rightfully associate to goth, it should be an overall disinterest in open violence compared to "normal" club/party scenes, but there is usually a lot of behind-the-back bitching going on to compensate for that. Additionally, goth scene doesn't seem to take the same moronic pride in open homophobia as a lot of other poseur scenes, that's why some sexual deviants, like transsexuals and others may experience less open hate and aggression there. But they won't necessarily be easily integrated or get much attention in goth scene.
Besides that, you might easily find a lot of different typical "goth" characters in the scenes, it's not really easy to find a common denominator for those people.
Some are more nerdy types, some typical high-school loners, others are very vain and dandy-like, a lot of introverted, sometimes pretty boring fellas, some are more funny than you'd think at first, some (especially the EBM crowd) are pretty down-to-earth, hard-working, almost stolid types, a lot of very bitchy, moody girls.
Nowadays, some of this 00's techno/cyber crowd seems to be some lukewarm version of the urban hipster, without the intellectualism and the good taste but full of the deeply self-centered meaninglessness and a "consumerist" attitude towards culture.
Most of the definitions of the people around here who dislike goth and are carefully constructing a cherished prejudice about goth people for themselves, center on some perception of the goths as being the real conformists, maintaining individuality but dressing up and behaving all the same. This is essentially not a very individualistic and unique perception, as it has been ripped off the popular "South Park" series, where the Cure-loving creators of the show were really quite tongue-in-cheek about the mockery. But it has been taken drop-dead serious by many and has since repeatedly been barked at the goth crowd as some kind of eternal truth revealed by haters all over the net.
IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY, STUPID! If you're into this style, you're full of passion for it. It's about a conglomerate of - for you - really fascinating music and styles (and admittedly a lot of stupid ones, too), you are so commited to, you just want to be a part of it, showing it just the same as you would show your wedding ring or a tattoo with the name of your lover. There is no problem with that fixed "goth" identity, because it's really up to yourself how you interpret it and fill it with life. You don't just do this do be AGAINST this or that, society, conformists or whatever, although you may personally "use" the style in that sense. It's much more a positive stance towards the styles of the scene that interest you and which you are individually contributing to by dressing up, making music, networking and so on. Nobody will EVER pay attention to you in this scene, if you are devoid of any surprises as a person and cling to some stereotypical behaviour you may associate with "being goth". That's not the way...
Actually, there is no proper definition of a special attitude, behaviour or quality of "goth" people. It's just the crowd which is into certain branches of the musical styles associated with goth, which is more or less openly involved in the visuals by dressing up sometimes or all the time in "gothic styles" and which is seen frequently in the nightclubs, at festivals and concerts. So all these narcisstic morons around here, trying to describe goths (i.e. themselves) as especially intelligent, more artistic or non-conformist as the rest are really just indulging themselves in pathetic attempts to talk others into sharing their own deluded self-perception.
If there is a positive attribute you can quite rightfully associate to goth, it should be an overall disinterest in open violence compared to "normal" club/party scenes, but there is usually a lot of behind-the-back bitching going on to compensate for that. Additionally, goth scene doesn't seem to take the same moronic pride in open homophobia as a lot of other poseur scenes, that's why some sexual deviants, like transsexuals and others may experience less open hate and aggression there. But they won't necessarily be easily integrated or get much attention in goth scene.
Besides that, you might easily find a lot of different typical "goth" characters in the scenes, it's not really easy to find a common denominator for those people.
Some are more nerdy types, some typical high-school loners, others are very vain and dandy-like, a lot of introverted, sometimes pretty boring fellas, some are more funny than you'd think at first, some (especially the EBM crowd) are pretty down-to-earth, hard-working, almost stolid types, a lot of very bitchy, moody girls.
Nowadays, some of this 00's techno/cyber crowd seems to be some lukewarm version of the urban hipster, without the intellectualism and the good taste but full of the deeply self-centered meaninglessness and a "consumerist" attitude towards culture.
Most of the definitions of the people around here who dislike goth and are carefully constructing a cherished prejudice about goth people for themselves, center on some perception of the goths as being the real conformists, maintaining individuality but dressing up and behaving all the same. This is essentially not a very individualistic and unique perception, as it has been ripped off the popular "South Park" series, where the Cure-loving creators of the show were really quite tongue-in-cheek about the mockery. But it has been taken drop-dead serious by many and has since repeatedly been barked at the goth crowd as some kind of eternal truth revealed by haters all over the net.
IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY, STUPID! If you're into this style, you're full of passion for it. It's about a conglomerate of - for you - really fascinating music and styles (and admittedly a lot of stupid ones, too), you are so commited to, you just want to be a part of it, showing it just the same as you would show your wedding ring or a tattoo with the name of your lover. There is no problem with that fixed "goth" identity, because it's really up to yourself how you interpret it and fill it with life. You don't just do this do be AGAINST this or that, society, conformists or whatever, although you may personally "use" the style in that sense. It's much more a positive stance towards the styles of the scene that interest you and which you are individually contributing to by dressing up, making music, networking and so on. Nobody will EVER pay attention to you in this scene, if you are devoid of any surprises as a person and cling to some stereotypical behaviour you may associate with "being goth". That's not the way...
Moron: Hey, you think you're individualistic?
HA! I've seen through you goth fags. You all are wearing black clothes like a uniform. Look at my completely average clothes and my boring face. THAT'S a sign of non-conformity.
HA!
Goth: I conform to things that are important to me.
At least I HAVE something that's important to me, you know? Besides, I LOVE uniforms...
HA! I've seen through you goth fags. You all are wearing black clothes like a uniform. Look at my completely average clothes and my boring face. THAT'S a sign of non-conformity.
HA!
Goth: I conform to things that are important to me.
At least I HAVE something that's important to me, you know? Besides, I LOVE uniforms...
by Bobby Sunshine August 3, 2009
Get the Goth mug.Goth, although once an expression of individuality, is now a commercial image sold by big business. They now have shops such as Emily the Strange that promote and sell the goth image. If you shop at such places you are buying something that everyone can have and probably does have. Ergo, you are not a true goth who wishes to be individual.
Goth, as well as many other social groups, is a box that people are put in so we can organise society. People are labelled to make it easier for others to relate to them. I exhibit many chracteristics of a goth (outlook of the world, sense of humour ect,) but am I one? No. This is because I choose not to buy into a commercial image that has been ruined by our "friends" big business and lemming teenagers.
So, if we follow this philosiphy, everyone who calls themself a goth is a poser and everyone who dresses like a goth is just buying into a commercial entity and is therefore a sellout and a poser.
Goth, as well as many other social groups, is a box that people are put in so we can organise society. People are labelled to make it easier for others to relate to them. I exhibit many chracteristics of a goth (outlook of the world, sense of humour ect,) but am I one? No. This is because I choose not to buy into a commercial image that has been ruined by our "friends" big business and lemming teenagers.
So, if we follow this philosiphy, everyone who calls themself a goth is a poser and everyone who dresses like a goth is just buying into a commercial entity and is therefore a sellout and a poser.
by All the bloody names are taken! September 5, 2008
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Short for Gothic.
Used to refer to a musical subculture. Orginally, the goth movement was an outgrowth of the late 50's Bohemian poet-culture (the original black beret-wearing coffee-swilling poetry-reading hipsters. Be zorch, daddy-o!). The goth movement celebrated dark music and dark poetry; eloquence and intellectualism was praised. Goths dressed well, often in Victorian or Edwardian garb, always formal. Goths were fatalistic celebrants; they were dancing in the Apocalypse. Musical icons include Machines of Loving Grace and the Sisters of Mercy.
Over the years, the goth movement has changed. Your typical Goth is much younger, typically in their teens. The emphasis is currently not upon creativity, but upon fashion (the blacker the better) and wannabe Alice Cooper makeup. Sarchasm and sneers are cultured and practiced. Musical darkness has changed to musical disaffection (the two are not the same, people!). Goths are no longer about creativity; they are about out-complaining each other. Attempts at creativity are mocked, with the exception of self-pitying would-be suicide-note poetry.
Goth is a thing of the past.
Used to refer to a musical subculture. Orginally, the goth movement was an outgrowth of the late 50's Bohemian poet-culture (the original black beret-wearing coffee-swilling poetry-reading hipsters. Be zorch, daddy-o!). The goth movement celebrated dark music and dark poetry; eloquence and intellectualism was praised. Goths dressed well, often in Victorian or Edwardian garb, always formal. Goths were fatalistic celebrants; they were dancing in the Apocalypse. Musical icons include Machines of Loving Grace and the Sisters of Mercy.
Over the years, the goth movement has changed. Your typical Goth is much younger, typically in their teens. The emphasis is currently not upon creativity, but upon fashion (the blacker the better) and wannabe Alice Cooper makeup. Sarchasm and sneers are cultured and practiced. Musical darkness has changed to musical disaffection (the two are not the same, people!). Goths are no longer about creativity; they are about out-complaining each other. Attempts at creativity are mocked, with the exception of self-pitying would-be suicide-note poetry.
Goth is a thing of the past.
by Git Offa My Lawn August 11, 2004
Get the goth mug.1.germanic tribe from yonkies ago
2.a style of writing or artwork.
3.a group of people who listen to gothic music such as Vampyrouss, Sisters of mercy, Bella morte, Bauhus, The Cruxshadows, siouxsie and the banshees,The cure and other such bands.
4.people who dress to fit the person they are, people who dont care about social norms, or what people think of them, they always want to learn and find new ways to express themselves
5.(this is an example of not goth) people who listen to marilyn manson, slipknot, KoRn, limp biskit and hang around in the mall out side shops wearing band shirts and badly applied black eyeliner and lipstick.claiming to be different while their friend standing next to them looks like a clone.
2.a style of writing or artwork.
3.a group of people who listen to gothic music such as Vampyrouss, Sisters of mercy, Bella morte, Bauhus, The Cruxshadows, siouxsie and the banshees,The cure and other such bands.
4.people who dress to fit the person they are, people who dont care about social norms, or what people think of them, they always want to learn and find new ways to express themselves
5.(this is an example of not goth) people who listen to marilyn manson, slipknot, KoRn, limp biskit and hang around in the mall out side shops wearing band shirts and badly applied black eyeliner and lipstick.claiming to be different while their friend standing next to them looks like a clone.
1.check wikipedia
2.victorian style buildings, dracula, wuthering heights,jane eyre and in some respects romeo and juliet..in some ways.
3.the bands listed above.(vampyrouss and the cruxshadows beign the best there :P)
4.opposite of a teeny bopper
5.marilyn manson, those kids standing outside hot topic saying man im so goth right now.
2.victorian style buildings, dracula, wuthering heights,jane eyre and in some respects romeo and juliet..in some ways.
3.the bands listed above.(vampyrouss and the cruxshadows beign the best there :P)
4.opposite of a teeny bopper
5.marilyn manson, those kids standing outside hot topic saying man im so goth right now.
by ParasiticVampyric March 3, 2009
Get the Goth mug.1)A Goth is a fan of gothic rock who looks the part. If you spend all your money on the fashion but still don’t listen to the music, or if you spend all your money on the music but still don’t look the part, then you aren’t a Goth. Goth is not a “state of mind”. Goths do not listen to black metal, worship the devil, or are suicidal/homicidal. Sadly, there are people who will actually follow these stereotypes(posers).
2)Goth is a style of music and fashion that started in the late 1970's/early 1980's as an offshoot of punk. In reality, goths aren’t any more “dark” than mundanes (average people). It has vertually nothing to do with being different, depressed, suicidal or the word “gothic”.
The first band to be called Goth was Joy Division when their music was described as “20th century gothic dance music”. After that, this style of music was called “gothic rock”, which really had nothing to do with the ancient Germanic tribe, The Goths, Gothic architecture, or the Gothic period. Then there was Siouxsie and the Banshees(who were actually a punk band), whose look and sound was immitated by various future Goth bands. Bauhaus was probably the first actual Goth band. Their song “Bela Lugosi’s Dead”(which is the ultimate Goth theme song) came out on the soundtrack of The Hunger, a vampire movie featuring David Bowie in ’79. Following Bauhaus were other early Goth bands like Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, Dead Can Dance, Rosetta Stone, etc.
While Goth was more inspired by Glam, Deathrock(which was also happening at the time) was more inspired by horror-punk. Some early Deathrock bands include Christian Death, Alien Sex Fiend, 45 Grave, and Specimen(who opened the popular club The Batcave).
In the 1990’s when Goth was first popularized, there came a little band called Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids. This is basically what started the “mallcore” thing. A mall Goth is someone who wears baggy black clothes/shops at hot topic, hangs out at the mall, wears horrible looking makeup and listens to bands like Manson, Korn, Slipknot, Cradle of Filth, The Birthday Massacre, etc. Basically a poser. This is also the time when Industrial, Cyber Goth and Rivithead got big. Things that were called Goth were straying more and more from what it truly was.
Some sub-genres of Goth(a few that I’ve already mentioned above) include deathrock, batcave, gothabilly, darkwave, EBM, ambient, ethereal, post-punk, etc.
Some popular Goth aesthetics include Romantigoth, Cyber Goth, Rivithead, Deathrocker, Gothabilly, and Classic Goth.
2)Goth is a style of music and fashion that started in the late 1970's/early 1980's as an offshoot of punk. In reality, goths aren’t any more “dark” than mundanes (average people). It has vertually nothing to do with being different, depressed, suicidal or the word “gothic”.
The first band to be called Goth was Joy Division when their music was described as “20th century gothic dance music”. After that, this style of music was called “gothic rock”, which really had nothing to do with the ancient Germanic tribe, The Goths, Gothic architecture, or the Gothic period. Then there was Siouxsie and the Banshees(who were actually a punk band), whose look and sound was immitated by various future Goth bands. Bauhaus was probably the first actual Goth band. Their song “Bela Lugosi’s Dead”(which is the ultimate Goth theme song) came out on the soundtrack of The Hunger, a vampire movie featuring David Bowie in ’79. Following Bauhaus were other early Goth bands like Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, Dead Can Dance, Rosetta Stone, etc.
While Goth was more inspired by Glam, Deathrock(which was also happening at the time) was more inspired by horror-punk. Some early Deathrock bands include Christian Death, Alien Sex Fiend, 45 Grave, and Specimen(who opened the popular club The Batcave).
In the 1990’s when Goth was first popularized, there came a little band called Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids. This is basically what started the “mallcore” thing. A mall Goth is someone who wears baggy black clothes/shops at hot topic, hangs out at the mall, wears horrible looking makeup and listens to bands like Manson, Korn, Slipknot, Cradle of Filth, The Birthday Massacre, etc. Basically a poser. This is also the time when Industrial, Cyber Goth and Rivithead got big. Things that were called Goth were straying more and more from what it truly was.
Some sub-genres of Goth(a few that I’ve already mentioned above) include deathrock, batcave, gothabilly, darkwave, EBM, ambient, ethereal, post-punk, etc.
Some popular Goth aesthetics include Romantigoth, Cyber Goth, Rivithead, Deathrocker, Gothabilly, and Classic Goth.
1)Oh my god, you have to see Carey's new Gothy haircut, she looks like Siouxsie Sioux.
2)Check out this new Goth band, they sound like Frank the Baptist.
2)Check out this new Goth band, they sound like Frank the Baptist.
by Lace Lachrymose July 21, 2008
Get the goth mug.Ive just been reading this column...I'm not a goth...More of a heavy I guess. Most of these "categories" you're all making don't mean anything. Goth is just a stupid label given to us by chavs -see chav-. They try to use it as an insult to us but really it's merely a compliment to our creative styles and fashions, as opposed to buying a pair off adidas trainers because we saw a bloke on t.v. wearing them. Goth's exist...but they are rare and few. Categories don't exist. If you consider yourself a goth, then unfortuantely yes...you may be a poser, but to the rest of you... "Stop categorising us" and to any chavs out there..."..i. II ,i.." Go f**k yourselves.
-Urban dictionary know it all's post-
"I hereby declare there are four types of goth...*random ranting about life and polotics which are relatively unrelated to the subject* I declare you all wannabe's, I AM the only true goth around...*hobbles off with terrible limp from being so far up his own arse*
-Random dude browsing the forums-
"Dude...let people live how they want...and stop telling people what they are or aren't. Isn't that the fundaments of being who we are...which means...You aren't a real goth! HAH!"
-Random event and personal true story-
Chav:"Yo mosh, wot fuck ya fink ur doin?"
Mosher:"Simply going home dude...i'm not looking for
trouble..."
Chav:"Ye am truble bruv', n ur innit"
(Mosher can't help but smile at this comment)
Chav:"Wtf u say bout ma famly?!"
Mosher:*realising he's going to be attacked and beaten
whatever he says next* "I said bend over and I'll
do you like your dad does...bruv"
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Mosher wakes up stiff from bruising yesterdays and smiles as he remembers his line and silently mouths:"That was so worth it"
"I hereby declare there are four types of goth...*random ranting about life and polotics which are relatively unrelated to the subject* I declare you all wannabe's, I AM the only true goth around...*hobbles off with terrible limp from being so far up his own arse*
-Random dude browsing the forums-
"Dude...let people live how they want...and stop telling people what they are or aren't. Isn't that the fundaments of being who we are...which means...You aren't a real goth! HAH!"
-Random event and personal true story-
Chav:"Yo mosh, wot fuck ya fink ur doin?"
Mosher:"Simply going home dude...i'm not looking for
trouble..."
Chav:"Ye am truble bruv', n ur innit"
(Mosher can't help but smile at this comment)
Chav:"Wtf u say bout ma famly?!"
Mosher:*realising he's going to be attacked and beaten
whatever he says next* "I said bend over and I'll
do you like your dad does...bruv"
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Mosher wakes up stiff from bruising yesterdays and smiles as he remembers his line and silently mouths:"That was so worth it"
by Flux Kid July 31, 2006
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