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In 1965, the Pakistani military so its biggest battle yet. The Pakistani military wasn't all to prepared for the attack, thus allowing the Indians to get close to Lahore and taking land. It also allowed the Indians to gain some victories over Pakistan and inflict casualties. But like Russia, Pakistan needed time. This was proven at chawinda. Both armies were fully prepared but Pakistan crushed the Indian army. The brave Pakistani army, consisting of 30-50k soldiers and 130-150 tanks went up against 50-100k Indian soldiers and 220 Indian tanks. What would be known as the 2nd largest tank battle after kursk, would also be known as the graveyard of Indian tanks.

Casualties of that battle were 44 Pakistani tanks destroyed, whilst 120-140 Indian tanks destroyed. This allowed Pakistan to advance into India. Pakistan also so victory on land against India inflicting heavy casualties. Such as the battle of Lahore. The Indian army was not able to get past the defences at Lahore. Their attempts to break through were crushed as the PAF showed its true power, bombing the Indian army to Heck. The Paf had gained air superiorty on the 1st day of this war. At the end the Paf lost 17-20 jets, whilst India lost 79-120 jets.

Despite there achievements this war was a stalemate.

Pakistans military is powerful. But India lies a lot about the wars. Don't believe them
Pakistan is a simple country. You don't mess with us, we ain't gonna mess with you. Bit if you mess with the innocent Muslim of kashmir, or any other Muslim nation, then you should expect the Pakistani military and the Pakistani air force to come knocking at your door.
by Oofal December 24, 2018
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A dream that will never come true.

India-Pakistan Wars:

1948-India freed Srinagar from Paki occupation and several areas close to the line of control in Kashmir before ceasefire was declared.

1965-India successfully routed Pakis by crossing the international border at Punjab and occupied Lahore.

1971-India helped East Pakistan gain independence from the oppressive West Pakistan.A new nation for Bengali muslims called Bangladesh was created.

1999-India launched airstrikes and artillery shelling to successfully drive out Paki millitants from the line of control in Indian-held Kashmir.
by Jai Shri Ram April 27, 2005
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Pakistan, objectively speaking, attempted aggression after its birth in 1947 four times and got something out of them two times. It faced aggression from India in 1971 which resulted in its losing half of its country out of which an independent country of Bangladesh was born.

Firstly it was against the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir (J & K) in 1948 which had yet to make up its mind on whether to join Pakistan or India when Pakistani tribal forces attacked it. Thereafter J & K joined India in return for Indian armed forces saving the rest of J & K from the tribal invaders. Finally the Prime Minister of India took the issue to the UN which called for a ceasefire and resulted in Pakistan having control over one-third of J & K and India having control over two-thirds of it and having the whole of J & K as a part of India on paper.

The second instance was in 1965 when Pakistan launched a campaign to capture parts of a region called Rann of Kutch in the West of India and South-East of Pakistan. This region was disputed between Pakistan and India and finally Pakistan managed to occupy large swathes of it which were unguarded by India owing to it being an inhospitable salt desert. Then emboldened Pakistan launched a third campaign immediately against the rest of J & K not under its control. This caused Indian retaliation in the form of its occupying large parts of Pakistani-occupied J & K and parts of Sindh and Punjab regions of Pakistan. Finally a ceasefire was proposed by some foreign countries which both Pakistan and India accepted. In the end Pakistan and India returned eachother whatever territory they had occupied from the other with Pakistan being allowed to keep 10% out of whatever of Rann of Kutch it claimed. However its aims of wresting J & K from India were not met in 1965 and it faced a defeat there.

In the opinion of GlobalSecurity.org on the 1965 Indo-Pak war , "The losses were relatively heavy — on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan."

The fourth instance of Pakistan committing aggression against India was in 1999 when its regular army personnel dressed in civilian outfits occupied strategic peaks on the Indian controlled part of J & K in the Kargil region there during the winter. This brought about an overwhelming Indian retaliation in the summer when India discovered the occupation. India retook peak after peak from the Pakistani soldiers without crossing into Pakistani held part of J & K (India maintained the sanctity of the 1948 war ceasefire line in J & K called the LoC against all odds in 1999). Finally the Prime Minister of Pakistan visited US which proposed a ceasefire. India thereafter ceased its fire while the occupying Pakistani forces evacuated themselves out of the Indian part of J & K. Thus in 1999 Pakistan failed to wrest Indian controlled part of J & K from India by force yet again.

A note about what ATL_ROX has posted. It is filled for the most part with things conjured out of thin air except the great tactics shown by the Pakistani Air Force in the 1965 war and the discipline and professionalism of the Pakistani military. While no one will dispute the above two things, all the rest of it written in his/her post is completely inaccurate and every neutral source in the world will attest to it. If he/she insists on otherwise then neutral proof should be provided to attest to the same.

Regarding the claim that Pakistan is filled with warrior-minded people and India is/has been militarily weak, the mere military history between India and Pakistan where in each of Pakistan's almost half a dozen encounters with the Indian military, all it managed was a patch of salt-desert which if it had been important for India it wouldn't have been given away so easily (refer to the rout by India of Pakistani soldiers from the very strategic peaks of Kargil in 1999) versus India splitting Pakistan into half in 1971 speaks for itself about which country, India or Pakistan, can claim military superiority over the other in the history of their existence.

Pakistani military victories weren't so much victories as a victory against the hapless independent state of J & K half of which Pakistan managed to conquer in 1948 until India came to its rescue and therefter took the matter to the UN naively without liberating the whole of J & K from Pakistani occupation.

As for the rest, winning against this and that unit of the adversary here and there in the numerous wars fought by Pakistan can't be claimed to be military victories. Pakistan may have got the better of its adversary in a handful of engagements in the numerous wars it fought but it has never won a war despite such blatantly and outrageously untruthful *stories* that most Pakistanis are brought up to believe in. Infact such beliefs of theirs is very annoying and amusing for the rest of the world.
by postit April 25, 2006
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The pakistani says Indian Hindus hate Muslims and Sikhs. If Indian Hindus hate Muslims and Sikhs so much, why is the president of India Muslim and why is the Prime Minister Sikh?

The paki is right about one thing tho, pakistan does sell out to the highest bidder. Ussually for a couple of bucks. India could buy pakistan if it wanted to. Pakistan has no future. India is on its way to becoming a superpower and pakistan is only getting worse. I have no problem with pakistanis in general..but i hate extremist and racist bastards.
A Message to Pakistanis: STOP SAYING YOU ARE PERSIANS/ARABS. YOU ARE NOT PERSIANS/ARABS, YOU ARE PERSIAN/ARAB WANABEES. YOU WISH YOU WERE PERSIANS/ARABS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO TRUE HISTORY OR HERITAGE. PAKISTANI HISTORY ONLY CONTAINS BULLSH*T INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE WARS PAKISTAN HAS LOST. ANY HISTORY BEFORE 1947 IS INDIAN HISTORY. SO PAKIS, DONT SAY YOU ARE PERSIANS/ARABS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT. YOU ARE INDIANS THAT DECIDED TO MOVE TO SOME OTHER COUNTRY. YOUR MILITARY SUCKS COCK. INDIAN OWNS PAKISTAN. IN THE KARGIL WAR, 60 INDIAN SOLDIERS DIED AND 6000 PAKISTANI SOLDIERS DIED. DONT SAY INDIANS KILL INNOCENTS. PAKISTAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ETHNIC CLEANSING THAT OCCURED IN BANGLADESH AND IT IS MADE UP OF FOOLS THAT REQUIRE WOMEN TO COVER THEIR ENTIRE BODIES. THE QURAN DOES NOT SAY THAT WOMEN HAVE TO DO THAT. STOP CORRUPTING ITS WORDS YOU BASTARDS.
by Persian February 10, 2005
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This is in response to the guy taht is blasting India(especially Hindus). I am a Muslim, but whni i am talking to a Pakistani, i am an Indian. I wish Pakistan would not associate Indian muslims with Pakistan. It seems to think that all Muslims hate India and want to help Pakistan in its pathetic attempts to atack India. The gujurat riots happened and they are now over. The things that happened in the riots were caused by a few religious extremists. These extremists were both Hindu and Muslim. Both Hindus and Muslims slaughtered each other. Overall, the riots happened because corrupt politicians spread rumors about both sides around te state.

First of all, all Hindus are not anti-Muslim zealots. Only a few are. Hinduism is one of the most tolerant religions in the world.

Second of all, there are extremists in all religions including Islam.

Pakistan is a hotbead of Islamic extremism.

Pakistan has never won anything against the Indian army(which is actually one of the most powerful in the world and is also the second largest in the world).

Both Kashmir and Pakistan were orignally part of India no matter what these extremist bastards says. Some Pakistanis claim that they have no relation to Indians, but they are exactly the same.

India will eventually take back Pakistan when Bush decides to send his troops to Pakistan. He will definately do this. Pakistan feels special right now because America is helping it, but it seems to forget that America was bestfriend with Saddam Hussain and Bin Laden at one point. Pakistan is next, after Iraq and Afghanistan are finished. If Pakistan decides to attack India again, it will be wiped off the face of the earth.
by Hindustani Muslim February 9, 2005
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