Let me state a few facts first, beginning with self-experience. I've started developing into the whole goth lifestyle back in late '04, starting out by wearing black. I wasn't into the whole Marilyn Manson or Linkin Park bullshit at that time, because I knew they weren't goth bands. After the whole black clothings, I started getting into goth rock(ex: Bauhaus, Lacuna Coil, Moonspell, HIM, The 69 Eyes). Then afterwards, other sets of metal was what I started listening to as well(excluding Nu-Metal). At first, I thought that I was never going to change my image. But that obviously wasn't true.
However, the goths of what I saw, were different from the goths of today. The goths back then were there to live life on the "darker" sides of things, meaning that they would abolish of whatever that is related to the mainstream. Those who were different. Those who were unique. Those who had their own style in clothings, words, and what not. The whole "goth" scene developed from a germanic/barbaric tribe that invaded the Roman Empire. The first kind of goths were known as the "visigoths", or aka The Noble Ones. They sacked the Roman Empire, otherwise known as the "mainstream" of that time.. so I'm pretty sure you can compare that to the gothic scene of my time.
Then suddenly, the whole goth scene started to evolve ONCE again. Kids are now transforming the scene into a trend, buying merchandise after merchandise, giving the impression as if they're buying candy from a store. They worship sellout stores such as hot topic, and claim to be "different".. but yet, they all dress the same, act the same, have the same desire of wanting to be "different", and considering themselves "rebellious teens". The thing is, these morons don't know that shit such as Hot Topic or MTV are nothing but a bunch of sellout brainwashing companies. Why do you think they charge such a ridiculous and pointless amount of money for merchandise? It's simple. They're trying to make money by selling out merchandises. And these "rebelious" goths are following them.
So basically, if you really want to be unique, different, rebellious, or what not.. the only thing you would really need to do is to be yourself, because that's one of the unique traits that most people don't possess nowadays.
Do I still listen to goth rock? Of course. Do I still listen to black/death/thrash/speed metal? Definitely. Do I still dress in black? Yes, more than often. Do I go around acting rebellious by wearing eyeliner and painting my nails black, and prancing around graveyards and worship Marilyn Manson for a living? FUCK NO.
However, the goths of what I saw, were different from the goths of today. The goths back then were there to live life on the "darker" sides of things, meaning that they would abolish of whatever that is related to the mainstream. Those who were different. Those who were unique. Those who had their own style in clothings, words, and what not. The whole "goth" scene developed from a germanic/barbaric tribe that invaded the Roman Empire. The first kind of goths were known as the "visigoths", or aka The Noble Ones. They sacked the Roman Empire, otherwise known as the "mainstream" of that time.. so I'm pretty sure you can compare that to the gothic scene of my time.
Then suddenly, the whole goth scene started to evolve ONCE again. Kids are now transforming the scene into a trend, buying merchandise after merchandise, giving the impression as if they're buying candy from a store. They worship sellout stores such as hot topic, and claim to be "different".. but yet, they all dress the same, act the same, have the same desire of wanting to be "different", and considering themselves "rebellious teens". The thing is, these morons don't know that shit such as Hot Topic or MTV are nothing but a bunch of sellout brainwashing companies. Why do you think they charge such a ridiculous and pointless amount of money for merchandise? It's simple. They're trying to make money by selling out merchandises. And these "rebelious" goths are following them.
So basically, if you really want to be unique, different, rebellious, or what not.. the only thing you would really need to do is to be yourself, because that's one of the unique traits that most people don't possess nowadays.
Do I still listen to goth rock? Of course. Do I still listen to black/death/thrash/speed metal? Definitely. Do I still dress in black? Yes, more than often. Do I go around acting rebellious by wearing eyeliner and painting my nails black, and prancing around graveyards and worship Marilyn Manson for a living? FUCK NO.
retarded teen angst goth kid: dude... I'm like... so different from those Britney Spears loving conformists.... and I hate society... and that makes me rebellious and different...
me: no dude, hating society doesn't make you a "rebel", it makes you a douche bag.
RTAGK: well you're just a dumb conformist, that's all. try living in my shoes, then you'll see how much I have to suffer.
me: go shove a tube down your throat, pour oil on the tip, and flare a matchstick and light it on fire, you goth-cut-yourself-kid. why don't you try living in a third world country, then you'll understand the true meaning of "suffer". Just knowing your presence disgusts me, you imbred cunt.
me: no dude, hating society doesn't make you a "rebel", it makes you a douche bag.
RTAGK: well you're just a dumb conformist, that's all. try living in my shoes, then you'll see how much I have to suffer.
me: go shove a tube down your throat, pour oil on the tip, and flare a matchstick and light it on fire, you goth-cut-yourself-kid. why don't you try living in a third world country, then you'll understand the true meaning of "suffer". Just knowing your presence disgusts me, you imbred cunt.
by hatchetwarrior4life December 22, 2006
The punk subculture formed in the early 80s. Not to be confused with the Germanic tribes. Creative, intelligent, interesting people who share similar ideas, likes and dislikes. One cannot classify 'goth' in one way...there are many types of goth. Usually thought of as being depressed, mentally ill, social outcasts with nothing on there minds but pain, death and world destruction(which is not always true) I am considered a 'goth' I do usually wear all black but I do so not because I want to be popular but because it is comfortable to me...and not everyone who wears all black are goths and not all goths wear all black...I wear red and grey and other colors.
by insanitywithacause December 19, 2003
A label society uses to stereotype people who the public in general tend to consider "bad," or "scary."
"Goth" people are the type that many will go out of their way to avoid.
I can't speak for others who have been labelled, but many have refferred to me as "Goth." Presumably because I choose to wear black most of the time. usually with a trenchcoat. I have read many of the other definitions on here, and I can't say what is wright and what is wrong. This is simply the only stereotype I have been accused of being a part of. Personally I spent approximately 12 years with strong suicidal desires, later being diagnosed with bi-polar. The only really apparent aspects of my personality that I noticed which differ from "Normal," are my preference for black clothing, and I tend to stay back and speak less. Personally I consider stereotypes a lame attempt some people or groups make to attempt to seem "better" than others.
The most irritating part of this aspect of society to me, is when I meet people who suddenly decide to wear black and act depressed.
I have no problem with anyone wearing anything else, I merely get irritated when people try to be something they aren't. Especially when people talk about being suicidal and have no idea the struggle I go through on a regular basis simply to keep a desire to live. It's not pleasant, you don't want it, quit trying.
I have never met another person who has serious issues with being suicidal and has just decided to announce it. I certainly prefer to have nobody know.
"Goth" people are the type that many will go out of their way to avoid.
I can't speak for others who have been labelled, but many have refferred to me as "Goth." Presumably because I choose to wear black most of the time. usually with a trenchcoat. I have read many of the other definitions on here, and I can't say what is wright and what is wrong. This is simply the only stereotype I have been accused of being a part of. Personally I spent approximately 12 years with strong suicidal desires, later being diagnosed with bi-polar. The only really apparent aspects of my personality that I noticed which differ from "Normal," are my preference for black clothing, and I tend to stay back and speak less. Personally I consider stereotypes a lame attempt some people or groups make to attempt to seem "better" than others.
The most irritating part of this aspect of society to me, is when I meet people who suddenly decide to wear black and act depressed.
I have no problem with anyone wearing anything else, I merely get irritated when people try to be something they aren't. Especially when people talk about being suicidal and have no idea the struggle I go through on a regular basis simply to keep a desire to live. It's not pleasant, you don't want it, quit trying.
I have never met another person who has serious issues with being suicidal and has just decided to announce it. I certainly prefer to have nobody know.
"ooh, look at me, I must be cool now because I decided to wear black and tell everyone how much life sucks, I'm such a goth, you guys all are just posers blah blah blah, wanna go but something depressing with me?"
by L. N. - DravenLives at myspace. June 11, 2007
A subculture and music genre which originated out of the British post-punk scene in the late 70s / early 80s with bands like Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees and then later, The Sisters of Mercy.
Goth is a music based subculture and while there are other aspects and customs to what makes the subculture, the most important is listening to and supporting the music in your scene (going to shows, buying merch and albums). This, of course, does not mean you CAN'T listen to other bands and artists outside the goth genre. Goth genres include goth rock, post punk, darkwave and deathrock.
Goth fashion comes from the Batcave (infamous night club where the subculture was born) and the musicians who wore this type of fashion. (See: Siouxsie Sioux's eye make up, Patricia Morrisons long black hair and red nails and Jonny Slut's deathhawk.) It's commonly worn by members of the goth subculture because the fans tried dress similarly, but never the same. This is the same as any fans dressing like their idols, and is where the element of DIY came into the scene.
The American version of goth is "deathrock" which is a spooky and atmospheric sub-genre of punk rock.
Goth is a music based subculture and while there are other aspects and customs to what makes the subculture, the most important is listening to and supporting the music in your scene (going to shows, buying merch and albums). This, of course, does not mean you CAN'T listen to other bands and artists outside the goth genre. Goth genres include goth rock, post punk, darkwave and deathrock.
Goth fashion comes from the Batcave (infamous night club where the subculture was born) and the musicians who wore this type of fashion. (See: Siouxsie Sioux's eye make up, Patricia Morrisons long black hair and red nails and Jonny Slut's deathhawk.) It's commonly worn by members of the goth subculture because the fans tried dress similarly, but never the same. This is the same as any fans dressing like their idols, and is where the element of DIY came into the scene.
The American version of goth is "deathrock" which is a spooky and atmospheric sub-genre of punk rock.
A goth is most likely into Bauhaus and Siouxsie and the Banshees but not all goth is from the 80s, you can get some good goth bands from the 1990s and 2010s too.
by DeadDeathrocker April 17, 2017
Genre of music which has evolved into a stereotypical dress style.
People often labeled as goth are infact just rejects from other social groups, real goths listen to darkwave, post-punk, proper goth rock, and a slew of other dark genres. Fake goths listen to metal/screamo. Real goths wear anything they want, fake goths wear black because its "goth". Real goths have friends from all backgrounds, social groups etc, fake goths limit themselves to other humiliatingly fake goths.
People often labeled as goth are infact just rejects from other social groups, real goths listen to darkwave, post-punk, proper goth rock, and a slew of other dark genres. Fake goths listen to metal/screamo. Real goths wear anything they want, fake goths wear black because its "goth". Real goths have friends from all backgrounds, social groups etc, fake goths limit themselves to other humiliatingly fake goths.
Normal guy: So you listen to screamo metal huh?
Goth: No I listen to darkwave.
Normal guy: That like screamo or something huh?
Goth: No its like synth-pop with dark lyrics.
Goth: No I listen to darkwave.
Normal guy: That like screamo or something huh?
Goth: No its like synth-pop with dark lyrics.
by Auraomega October 07, 2009
State of mind, with no regret of being ones own person. One who doesn't strive to be a clone of everyone else. Someone with there own mind set, not willing to change a belief because of anyone but themselves. They don't go out of there way to become someones friend but is a good one if u know one. Not always the nicest, can become pissed off very easily if annoyed but an ignorant asshole.
Foamy-"Goth is not a fashion statement just like punk."
Person 1-"Dude that kid is Goth."
Person 2-"No that kid is emo, Goths can't just go buy a couple things at Hot Topic and be a Goth."
Person 1-"Oh yeah, well that make sense."
Person 1-"Dude that kid is Goth."
Person 2-"No that kid is emo, Goths can't just go buy a couple things at Hot Topic and be a Goth."
Person 1-"Oh yeah, well that make sense."
by jewsion666 July 16, 2010
I really don't believe in labeling people but I guess this is a good way to show people out there who believe we're scary people: but we are not.
God forbid, we don't even usually intend wanting to scare anyone. Most of what you hear today is just mostly based off of some jerks' loud mouth blabbing about things, so I'll just begin with some things I deal with EVERYDAY:
1. Goths' are Satanists.
-Okay. Satanism is a religion and not a cult thing. Yes, there could be a few people who are apart of the group who could be into it, but really, its nothing to make a big deal about. It is your own choice what you want to be, so there could be what some consider 'preps' out there who are into it, so watch what you say before you open your mouth. And I wear crosses, so what does that tell you?
2.Goths' are all depressed.
-Another thing that bothers me. Depression could happen to anyone, even those people you think are popular and so attractive. God forbid, even though some wear dark clothes or most of our choices clothing-wise, it doesn't mean we're all depressed. Its a serious thing to be bipolar or feeling suicidal, and that's when you need to tell someone. And the reason why I wear black is because I feel comfortable in my own skin with my clothes and I feel less noticed, unlike some girls who wear bright, flashy clothes. And also, being pinned for cutting yourself is not something to be proud of. And this culture doesn't even stand for that crap and I hope no young people out there think that is what all the 'Goths' do, because its not. If you do do that, then go get help. And if you do it for fun, then you're being stupid.
3. They're music is so scary! All of it is screaming!
-Before you begin giving everyone crap about what you think of anyone's music, I think you should try thinking about how it would feel to have everyone talk smack about your taste. Yes, I say crap about most of the artists today, but that is because most of it is crap. Making music takes talent and playing instruments, playing from your heart and talking about real things, not just about the prostetute girls singing about their boyfriend that they will replace tomorrow. I mean, what the heck is that? Music for us is something that we can relate to and isn't fake. And no, not everyone of us listens to screaming/grindcore/melodramatic/gothic/dark music. That's everyone's choice to choose.
4. Why do they wear all black?
-To tell you the truth, I think its a classical color and less noticeable. I don't like being the black dot on the white wall but I seriously like how I feel dressing like I do. And not all of us dress in all-black: there is blood red, dark purple, midnight blue...any color that is closely romantic and connected to Victorian times...and that is where most of the clothing ideas come from. The Victorians were very beautiful and I love the corsets! And I really hate how everyone stereotypes us to be cloaked in total darkness with black makeup and hair. Not all the people have black hair. This style, to me, let's me express myself and wear whatever I want. I have dyed my hair black, brown, deep red, dark purple, blue, burgundy. Its all about being who you are and not following some stupid stereotype or kids who think they're this 'hardcore goth'. Some kids think that, especially in Junior High or High School, but they usually shop at Hot Topic (Which isn't even closely related) and listen to pop, complain about how sad their lives are, and how they hate preppy people. But not everyone does that. "Mall Goths" or "Baby Bats" are terms used for that. -Usually get their clothes from the Mall- -Starters and very young in the scene...not completely educated- Also, putting on makeup is a form of creativity and to tell you the truth, liquid eyeliner is a dog to put on. The peircings are fun to get because, for me, its something I can be proud of that I had done to myself. And its fun to do your makeup in different ways, not always dramatic either. Usually, the pale skin comes from the black contrasting against your skin color but people sometimes wear white powder that helps even it out a little more. I wear it sometimes because I think I look pretty and elegant. Its nice to feel good about yourself. I wear boots because I feel taller.
5. What's up with them being alone?
-I think I covered this, but most of us actually aren't choosing to be alone. Most of the group tends to be artistic and that's when we get to express ourselves. I draw, play the piano, flute, guitar, and write stories and poetry. And I think its a wonderful and awesome way to be yourself. If you want friends, go join a club or do something with people who like to do the same things. And reading is nice to do...Stephen King especially. Photography is interesting, too.
6. Are they all interested in Vampires?
Like I have said before, everyone can like anything they want to. I like vampires but my friend who calls herself a fellow 'Goth' doesn't.
7. Why do they like death so much?
I think being able to look at the less brighter side of life is a great feat. Some can't even accept that one thing happened to them, so they keep looking at the positive. It is self-harming to always bring the worse on you (personaly know) but I think its nice to know you can tell when things could be a lot better than they were now. I think death is fascinating: what is on the other side? Who is there? But, some don't. Whatever you want to believe, go do it.
So, I hope a few people learned from this and try not to stereotype yourself. Its a hideous ordeal and if you want to go through life with everyone telling you you are things, then be my guest. Its wrong and I know its a common habit to want to be apart of something, but don't let anyone tell you who you are. Also: if you're one of those kids who are on here trying to find ideas about how to be a 'goth' or how to convince your parents to let you 'be' it; I want you to leave this site now and rethink what you're doing. You don't magically turn into something, but you measly slip into it unnoticed. And if people come up to you and say, "Hey! I was Goth in High School too!" then you know they weren't being serious. You grow into it but if you were the real deal, you never grow out. I hope my opinions didn't offend anyone but I just wanted it out there so some could actually learn from it.
God forbid, we don't even usually intend wanting to scare anyone. Most of what you hear today is just mostly based off of some jerks' loud mouth blabbing about things, so I'll just begin with some things I deal with EVERYDAY:
1. Goths' are Satanists.
-Okay. Satanism is a religion and not a cult thing. Yes, there could be a few people who are apart of the group who could be into it, but really, its nothing to make a big deal about. It is your own choice what you want to be, so there could be what some consider 'preps' out there who are into it, so watch what you say before you open your mouth. And I wear crosses, so what does that tell you?
2.Goths' are all depressed.
-Another thing that bothers me. Depression could happen to anyone, even those people you think are popular and so attractive. God forbid, even though some wear dark clothes or most of our choices clothing-wise, it doesn't mean we're all depressed. Its a serious thing to be bipolar or feeling suicidal, and that's when you need to tell someone. And the reason why I wear black is because I feel comfortable in my own skin with my clothes and I feel less noticed, unlike some girls who wear bright, flashy clothes. And also, being pinned for cutting yourself is not something to be proud of. And this culture doesn't even stand for that crap and I hope no young people out there think that is what all the 'Goths' do, because its not. If you do do that, then go get help. And if you do it for fun, then you're being stupid.
3. They're music is so scary! All of it is screaming!
-Before you begin giving everyone crap about what you think of anyone's music, I think you should try thinking about how it would feel to have everyone talk smack about your taste. Yes, I say crap about most of the artists today, but that is because most of it is crap. Making music takes talent and playing instruments, playing from your heart and talking about real things, not just about the prostetute girls singing about their boyfriend that they will replace tomorrow. I mean, what the heck is that? Music for us is something that we can relate to and isn't fake. And no, not everyone of us listens to screaming/grindcore/melodramatic/gothic/dark music. That's everyone's choice to choose.
4. Why do they wear all black?
-To tell you the truth, I think its a classical color and less noticeable. I don't like being the black dot on the white wall but I seriously like how I feel dressing like I do. And not all of us dress in all-black: there is blood red, dark purple, midnight blue...any color that is closely romantic and connected to Victorian times...and that is where most of the clothing ideas come from. The Victorians were very beautiful and I love the corsets! And I really hate how everyone stereotypes us to be cloaked in total darkness with black makeup and hair. Not all the people have black hair. This style, to me, let's me express myself and wear whatever I want. I have dyed my hair black, brown, deep red, dark purple, blue, burgundy. Its all about being who you are and not following some stupid stereotype or kids who think they're this 'hardcore goth'. Some kids think that, especially in Junior High or High School, but they usually shop at Hot Topic (Which isn't even closely related) and listen to pop, complain about how sad their lives are, and how they hate preppy people. But not everyone does that. "Mall Goths" or "Baby Bats" are terms used for that. -Usually get their clothes from the Mall- -Starters and very young in the scene...not completely educated- Also, putting on makeup is a form of creativity and to tell you the truth, liquid eyeliner is a dog to put on. The peircings are fun to get because, for me, its something I can be proud of that I had done to myself. And its fun to do your makeup in different ways, not always dramatic either. Usually, the pale skin comes from the black contrasting against your skin color but people sometimes wear white powder that helps even it out a little more. I wear it sometimes because I think I look pretty and elegant. Its nice to feel good about yourself. I wear boots because I feel taller.
5. What's up with them being alone?
-I think I covered this, but most of us actually aren't choosing to be alone. Most of the group tends to be artistic and that's when we get to express ourselves. I draw, play the piano, flute, guitar, and write stories and poetry. And I think its a wonderful and awesome way to be yourself. If you want friends, go join a club or do something with people who like to do the same things. And reading is nice to do...Stephen King especially. Photography is interesting, too.
6. Are they all interested in Vampires?
Like I have said before, everyone can like anything they want to. I like vampires but my friend who calls herself a fellow 'Goth' doesn't.
7. Why do they like death so much?
I think being able to look at the less brighter side of life is a great feat. Some can't even accept that one thing happened to them, so they keep looking at the positive. It is self-harming to always bring the worse on you (personaly know) but I think its nice to know you can tell when things could be a lot better than they were now. I think death is fascinating: what is on the other side? Who is there? But, some don't. Whatever you want to believe, go do it.
So, I hope a few people learned from this and try not to stereotype yourself. Its a hideous ordeal and if you want to go through life with everyone telling you you are things, then be my guest. Its wrong and I know its a common habit to want to be apart of something, but don't let anyone tell you who you are. Also: if you're one of those kids who are on here trying to find ideas about how to be a 'goth' or how to convince your parents to let you 'be' it; I want you to leave this site now and rethink what you're doing. You don't magically turn into something, but you measly slip into it unnoticed. And if people come up to you and say, "Hey! I was Goth in High School too!" then you know they weren't being serious. You grow into it but if you were the real deal, you never grow out. I hope my opinions didn't offend anyone but I just wanted it out there so some could actually learn from it.
1. "Hey! Do you go to church in that?"
"Yes. And my priest compliments me!"
2. "Do you cut yourself? Show me your arms and wrists."
"Oh, wow. Look at that. Nothing on my body! Now why don't you quit harrassing me."
3. "What the heck are you listening to? It makes my ears bleed."
"Kittie and why don't you quit listening to what you're playing in your ears and stuff some cotton balls in your ears."
4. "Are you going to a funeral?"
"Nope. I'm just dressing for any occasion."
5. "Why are you back here?"
"I'm thinking about how my next song I'm writing is going to go."
6. "Bite me, you Goth feak!"
"I don't suck blood. I'm a vegetarian."
7. "Did you hear about the old person that croaked?"
"Nope, but I'm sure you'll tell me about it."
"Yes. And my priest compliments me!"
2. "Do you cut yourself? Show me your arms and wrists."
"Oh, wow. Look at that. Nothing on my body! Now why don't you quit harrassing me."
3. "What the heck are you listening to? It makes my ears bleed."
"Kittie and why don't you quit listening to what you're playing in your ears and stuff some cotton balls in your ears."
4. "Are you going to a funeral?"
"Nope. I'm just dressing for any occasion."
5. "Why are you back here?"
"I'm thinking about how my next song I'm writing is going to go."
6. "Bite me, you Goth feak!"
"I don't suck blood. I'm a vegetarian."
7. "Did you hear about the old person that croaked?"
"Nope, but I'm sure you'll tell me about it."
by Night's Ink August 15, 2009