there is nothing wrong with goths like me who just wear a lot of black and are depressed. I hate that a lot of people say that no one has a real reason for being depressed. I think that this is not a nice thing to do because they do not know what is going on in the life of that person, saying that they have no reason to be depressed may be hurting their feelings.

I think that most goths are ok apart from the ones who think they are cool just because they intimidate others. I do not think that walking around wearing black lipstick makes you cool. I have nothing against those who have a strong reason to be depressed as I do, but I do not like people who enjoy hating others.

I would also like to mension that this website is stupid, it is inviting people to insult others. Why can everyone not just accept what other people think. I hate anyone who thinks that they're opinion is always right and that they are better then everyone else.

This is my opinion and I am not going to force anyone to agree with me but I just felt that the way people treat others on this site is wrong and that your should think twice about what you write before you end up hurting someones feelings.

Ps: I am not a teeny, or some soppy kid who wants everyone to love each other, I just know the effect things like this can have on other people.
"I dress in black but this does not make me a goth"

"You wear black lipstick and a dog collar but this does not make you cool or give you a right to instult others"
by I owe my life to GoodCharlotte December 14, 2004
Where do I start!
The Fake Goth or GOFF- an offshoot of the Punk or metal scene that varies little apart from going towards such group as Marylin mansion NIN, etc wearing large amounts of black and rebelling cos it looks cool (Ironic eh?)

the Gothic scene- I can only speak for the british scene personally but it seems to have come out of the post-punk movement in the late 70's early 80's going toward darker and heavier tones and feelings, e.g. Sisters of mercy, Siouxsie and the banshees, etc,

A Goth- a person who often has a twisted or cynical view on life, and sees the world as a dark, hopeless and i might say, morbid place, and revels in it, they are often interested in the arts particularly dating back to the 18/19th centuries and take a lot of their stle from that period (often for posh occaisons) but are still in touch with the modern day, stereotyped(is that a word) by black clothing, silver jewelry and makeup (both Genders) but the appearance does not matter when it comes to goths, it is their view on life and what they feel inside, that style of clothing is simply a common occurance

Goff: *to real goth* you fucking weirdo! I reject you you conformist, I reject you normal people!

Goth: *smirks, then sighs slightly and walks off*
by Tau July 28, 2004
Goth is a lifestyle which is much stereotyped by many teens who are posers, the lot. It is a style of living that entails being dark, romantic, poetic, artistic, mysterious, calm, sometimes sad, stuff.
I am gothic because I go to hottopic (loser)
I consider ymself to be gothic. I am.
by Toxie June 02, 2004
A goth is someone who hate to be labled. Therefore they would NOT say they are goth. A goth is someone who is very creative and expresses themselves through art and their clothing. A goth can NOT be a prep. A goth CAN be a 12 year old, because a goth is someone who is true to themselves and always act lie you have a problem with that?
Prep: You are SUCH a goth.
Goth: Thank you!
by Becca April 09, 2004
Alot of people have added what a goth really is, a thoughful caring person, and some other chavs have added some hate mail you find down the bottom of the page...
I'll say what i think makes a goth
The biggest virtue is of course, selflessness.
A goth wont lower themselves to looking at people and saying "chu looking at??" then promptly begin beating them up... well only if they outnumber their prey two to one, thats called a chav people.
Secondly, goths are creative thoughful people who have very colourful personalities.
Goths don't resort to typing like this: "hey, u kk?" "ye i fine ta", we actually bother to speak proper english.
A goth wont also think that they are the most important person in the world or act like cowards, (i.e. chavs).
We also dress what makes us happy, we dont care if you say its not "in" we dont care whats "in".
You might think at this time im being a bit harsh on the chavs, but next time you watch the news, or a cop show on tv, look at the guy(s) in the stolen nova, or running from a store laden with stuff...
someone wearing burberry or some stupid tracksuit. There are very few goths or others very similar that commit serious crimes.
Chav:"What chu looking at?"
Goth:"Excuse me?"
Chav:"What chu looking at me for?? you wanna make somethin of dis?"
Goth:"No, I..."
*Goth gets stabbed by chav for no reason*
by Scottism September 12, 2008
1. A type of architecture, not a "style" or "way of life."
2. People who think they're evil, but would shit their diapers if they saw the real thing.
1. Look at that Gothic building, it's so beautiful.
2. "Goth" kid: Holy shit a demon!! *screams and cries bloody murder*
by stormdemon September 08, 2008
Goth is a loosely defined social sub-culture. Stereotypically, goths are deep, tortured artists, listen to ambient, dark (sub-par) music and have a penchant for self-harm. Some people who follow these trends do not describe themselves as goths, while many supposed goths do not follow them at all. My brother was hanging out with two goth friends, and a bunch of skangers made fun of them, to which one of the goths replied, and in all seriousness: "I will eat their souls". Had I have been there, I would have taken some time to explain to him that Evil Dead is just a movie and, also, the Necronomicon is not real. It IS true that Goths typically see themselves as unique individuals, although, to describe oneself as such and yet be part of an entire sub-culture essentially makes the term "goth" an oxymoron. The plus side to gothic fashion, is that it allows for naturaly beautiful women to show off curves and such. The flip-side of this is that fat women think this is ok for them to dress like that also, and dress in tight, ultra-revealing and lacy clothing which is gauranteed to give many men impotency for at least a month. All male goths look stupid, without exception. Male goths see the crow and emulate his appearance, without realisng that gothic fashion only looks cool on men in films because it makes them look dramatic. In real-life, there is far less drama and even less action to allow giant leather trenchcoats, black metal-esque make-up to work.

I was going to type up a huge list of frequent gothic misconceptions, beliefs and lies and the contradictions and discrimination that comes with them, but someone has already done this for me, but forgot to add why every single thing he/she said is a lie. If you have read the extremely offensive and discriminating, lengthy pseudo-facts about goths and the difference between the chav sub-culture, I think you'll know where I'm going with this. I'll cover the most important of his or her's misinformation (I'll ignore his/her spelling mistakes which automatically deduct from his/her credibility, at least on the whole stereotypical "goths are intelligent" thing).

"In the morning, a goth will ask themselves “what do I want to wear?” whilst a chav will ask themselves “what in this selection of clothes is the most acceptable thing to wear?” "

This fails to point out the fact that, being a goth, he/she is similarly limited in clothing just as the chav is, only being a goth, he/she has tried to give a different reason for this.

"A goth will listen to music that is meaningful to their life and thought provoking, a chav will listen to music which will tell him how to behave. "
This one ignores the fact that goth music itself is typically centered around a limited subject matter, and avoids discussing how "chav music" tells people how to behave.

The next paragraph, hilariously, contains several goth cliches, we are all doomed, life is pointless, blah-blah-blah, ignoring how other people may not think so, proving how close-minded he/she really is. Also he/she calls non-goths fools for not conforming to his/her point of view.

Then, the money shot: "I treat others as I wish to be treated myself"
Yes that's right, after making a gigantic entry belittling chavs and non-goths, for, incredibly, not conforming to his/her beliefs, and moaning that no-one undertands him/her, he/she commits the ultimate hypocrisy and states that he/she treats everyone as she would want to be treated. Hmm. Does this means he/she likes being told he/she is inferior, unoriginal and uncreative?

"As a goth, all you various ‘rude’ forms of life make me sick. Goth is what the individuals do- and as for the idea of the wannabe goth these either revert to conformity or evolve.(I mean slipknot/korn fans, as for manson fans I think those who say he isn’t gothic just don’t know enough about him- sure listening to manson WILL NOT make you gothic, but give that poor dark philisophical soul some credit! He’s certainly not gonna un-goth you!)"

Let me get this straight. He/she has insulted every non-goth at every step of his/her entry, and now, quite hypocritacally calls US rude. Oh. Almost forgot the insertion of the common misconception that goths are intelligent and dark and philisophical. And the even-more frequent mis-conception that Manson is a good musician. No-one older than 17 listens to him, by the way.

"Goths make the greatest friends. Goths have the unusual ideas. Goths just don’t suffer from the same afflictions of ‘normality’ as you self-mirroring lot- change for once. down with mediocrity."

I have the greatest friends on the planet. They are always there for me, they listen to my problems, they listen to different music, have interests and expertise in different things, they don't even fit into a sub-culture. What makes your goth friends so much better than mine?

Unusual ideas? At no-where have you stated why, or provided evidence why this is:
A:Only inherent goths or
B:Neccessarily a good thing.

Goths don't suffer from the same resrictions of normality?
This world is not the matrix and you, nor any-other self-important goth are NOT neo. I love the way these people act like they don't make funny noises taking a shit like the rest of us do... "I'm so deep and -oohhuuuUUnnggaaarggh!!! " *Sploosh!*

Self-mirroring: Way to prove your intelligence, gothic-Einstein. This term literally means to mirror, dun-dun-DUUUUUH! Yourself! What? Are you saying I look like myself? Is that a bad thing? Why? Maybe I should conform to what you say and not look like myself. Ok, I just tried it now, but every time I looked in the mirror, I still just looked like me.

Mediocrity: Yes down with mediocrity! Better yet, down with self-contradiction, delusions of superiority, and discrimination towards people who do not share your fashion-statement, or "dark" philosophies!
Skanger:"Hallow'een's over!"
Goth:"I will eat your soul"

Goth: "I'm bettr thon u"
Me: "Of course you are"
by N00bKannon June 10, 2008

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