I really don't believe in labeling people but I guess this is a good way to show people out there who believe we're scary people: but we are not.
God forbid, we don't even usually intend wanting to scare anyone. Most of what you hear today is just mostly based off of some jerks' loud mouth blabbing about things, so I'll just begin with some things I deal with EVERYDAY:
1. Goths' are Satanists.
-Okay. Satanism is a religion and not a cult thing. Yes, there could be a few people who are apart of the group who could be into it, but really, its nothing to make a big deal about. It is your own choice what you want to be, so there could be what some consider 'preps' out there who are into it, so watch what you say before you open your mouth. And I wear crosses, so what does that tell you?
2.Goths' are all depressed.
-Another thing that bothers me. Depression could happen to anyone, even those people you think are popular and so attractive. God forbid, even though some wear dark clothes or most of our choices clothing-wise, it doesn't mean we're all depressed. Its a serious thing to be bipolar or feeling suicidal, and that's when you need to tell someone. And the reason why I wear black is because I feel comfortable in my own skin with my clothes and I feel less noticed, unlike some girls who wear bright, flashy clothes. And also, being pinned for cutting yourself is not something to be proud of. And this culture doesn't even stand for that crap and I hope no young people out there think that is what all the 'Goths' do, because its not. If you do do that, then go get help. And if you do it for fun, then you're being stupid.
3. They're music is so scary! All of it is screaming!
-Before you begin giving everyone crap about what you think of anyone's music, I think you should try thinking about how it would feel to have everyone talk smack about your taste. Yes, I say crap about most of the artists today, but that is because most of it is crap. Making music takes talent and playing instruments, playing from your heart and talking about real things, not just about the prostetute girls singing about their boyfriend that they will replace tomorrow. I mean, what the heck is that? Music for us is something that we can relate to and isn't fake. And no, not everyone of us listens to screaming/grindcore/melodramatic/gothic/dark music. That's everyone's choice to choose.
4. Why do they wear all black?
-To tell you the truth, I think its a classical color and less noticeable. I don't like being the black dot on the white wall but I seriously like how I feel dressing like I do. And not all of us dress in all-black: there is blood red, dark purple, midnight blue...any color that is closely romantic and connected to Victorian times...and that is where most of the clothing ideas come from. The Victorians were very beautiful and I love the corsets! And I really hate how everyone stereotypes us to be cloaked in total darkness with black makeup and hair. Not all the people have black hair. This style, to me, let's me express myself and wear whatever I want. I have dyed my hair black, brown, deep red, dark purple, blue, burgundy. Its all about being who you are and not following some stupid stereotype or kids who think they're this 'hardcore goth'. Some kids think that, especially in Junior High or High School, but they usually shop at Hot Topic (Which isn't even closely related) and listen to pop, complain about how sad their lives are, and how they hate preppy people. But not everyone does that. "Mall Goths" or "Baby Bats" are terms used for that. -Usually get their clothes from the Mall- -Starters and very young in the scene...not completely educated- Also, putting on makeup is a form of creativity and to tell you the truth, liquid eyeliner is a dog to put on. The peircings are fun to get because, for me, its something I can be proud of that I had done to myself. And its fun to do your makeup in different ways, not always dramatic either. Usually, the pale skin comes from the black contrasting against your skin color but people sometimes wear white powder that helps even it out a little more. I wear it sometimes because I think I look pretty and elegant. Its nice to feel good about yourself. I wear boots because I feel taller.
5. What's up with them being alone?
-I think I covered this, but most of us actually aren't choosing to be alone. Most of the group tends to be artistic and that's when we get to express ourselves. I draw, play the piano, flute, guitar, and write stories and poetry. And I think its a wonderful and awesome way to be yourself. If you want friends, go join a club or do something with people who like to do the same things. And reading is nice to do...Stephen King especially. Photography is interesting, too.
6. Are they all interested in Vampires?
Like I have said before, everyone can like anything they want to. I like vampires but my friend who calls herself a fellow 'Goth' doesn't.
7. Why do they like death so much?
I think being able to look at the less brighter side of life is a great feat. Some can't even accept that one thing happened to them, so they keep looking at the positive. It is self-harming to always bring the worse on you (personaly know) but I think its nice to know you can tell when things could be a lot better than they were now. I think death is fascinating: what is on the other side? Who is there? But, some don't. Whatever you want to believe, go do it.
So, I hope a few people learned from this and try not to stereotype yourself. Its a hideous ordeal and if you want to go through life with everyone telling you you are things, then be my guest. Its wrong and I know its a common habit to want to be apart of something, but don't let anyone tell you who you are. Also: if you're one of those kids who are on here trying to find ideas about how to be a 'goth' or how to convince your parents to let you 'be' it; I want you to leave this site now and rethink what you're doing. You don't magically turn into something, but you measly slip into it unnoticed. And if people come up to you and say, "Hey! I was Goth in High School too!" then you know they weren't being serious. You grow into it but if you were the real deal, you never grow out. I hope my opinions didn't offend anyone but I just wanted it out there so some could actually learn from it.
God forbid, we don't even usually intend wanting to scare anyone. Most of what you hear today is just mostly based off of some jerks' loud mouth blabbing about things, so I'll just begin with some things I deal with EVERYDAY:
1. Goths' are Satanists.
-Okay. Satanism is a religion and not a cult thing. Yes, there could be a few people who are apart of the group who could be into it, but really, its nothing to make a big deal about. It is your own choice what you want to be, so there could be what some consider 'preps' out there who are into it, so watch what you say before you open your mouth. And I wear crosses, so what does that tell you?
2.Goths' are all depressed.
-Another thing that bothers me. Depression could happen to anyone, even those people you think are popular and so attractive. God forbid, even though some wear dark clothes or most of our choices clothing-wise, it doesn't mean we're all depressed. Its a serious thing to be bipolar or feeling suicidal, and that's when you need to tell someone. And the reason why I wear black is because I feel comfortable in my own skin with my clothes and I feel less noticed, unlike some girls who wear bright, flashy clothes. And also, being pinned for cutting yourself is not something to be proud of. And this culture doesn't even stand for that crap and I hope no young people out there think that is what all the 'Goths' do, because its not. If you do do that, then go get help. And if you do it for fun, then you're being stupid.
3. They're music is so scary! All of it is screaming!
-Before you begin giving everyone crap about what you think of anyone's music, I think you should try thinking about how it would feel to have everyone talk smack about your taste. Yes, I say crap about most of the artists today, but that is because most of it is crap. Making music takes talent and playing instruments, playing from your heart and talking about real things, not just about the prostetute girls singing about their boyfriend that they will replace tomorrow. I mean, what the heck is that? Music for us is something that we can relate to and isn't fake. And no, not everyone of us listens to screaming/grindcore/melodramatic/gothic/dark music. That's everyone's choice to choose.
4. Why do they wear all black?
-To tell you the truth, I think its a classical color and less noticeable. I don't like being the black dot on the white wall but I seriously like how I feel dressing like I do. And not all of us dress in all-black: there is blood red, dark purple, midnight blue...any color that is closely romantic and connected to Victorian times...and that is where most of the clothing ideas come from. The Victorians were very beautiful and I love the corsets! And I really hate how everyone stereotypes us to be cloaked in total darkness with black makeup and hair. Not all the people have black hair. This style, to me, let's me express myself and wear whatever I want. I have dyed my hair black, brown, deep red, dark purple, blue, burgundy. Its all about being who you are and not following some stupid stereotype or kids who think they're this 'hardcore goth'. Some kids think that, especially in Junior High or High School, but they usually shop at Hot Topic (Which isn't even closely related) and listen to pop, complain about how sad their lives are, and how they hate preppy people. But not everyone does that. "Mall Goths" or "Baby Bats" are terms used for that. -Usually get their clothes from the Mall- -Starters and very young in the scene...not completely educated- Also, putting on makeup is a form of creativity and to tell you the truth, liquid eyeliner is a dog to put on. The peircings are fun to get because, for me, its something I can be proud of that I had done to myself. And its fun to do your makeup in different ways, not always dramatic either. Usually, the pale skin comes from the black contrasting against your skin color but people sometimes wear white powder that helps even it out a little more. I wear it sometimes because I think I look pretty and elegant. Its nice to feel good about yourself. I wear boots because I feel taller.
5. What's up with them being alone?
-I think I covered this, but most of us actually aren't choosing to be alone. Most of the group tends to be artistic and that's when we get to express ourselves. I draw, play the piano, flute, guitar, and write stories and poetry. And I think its a wonderful and awesome way to be yourself. If you want friends, go join a club or do something with people who like to do the same things. And reading is nice to do...Stephen King especially. Photography is interesting, too.
6. Are they all interested in Vampires?
Like I have said before, everyone can like anything they want to. I like vampires but my friend who calls herself a fellow 'Goth' doesn't.
7. Why do they like death so much?
I think being able to look at the less brighter side of life is a great feat. Some can't even accept that one thing happened to them, so they keep looking at the positive. It is self-harming to always bring the worse on you (personaly know) but I think its nice to know you can tell when things could be a lot better than they were now. I think death is fascinating: what is on the other side? Who is there? But, some don't. Whatever you want to believe, go do it.
So, I hope a few people learned from this and try not to stereotype yourself. Its a hideous ordeal and if you want to go through life with everyone telling you you are things, then be my guest. Its wrong and I know its a common habit to want to be apart of something, but don't let anyone tell you who you are. Also: if you're one of those kids who are on here trying to find ideas about how to be a 'goth' or how to convince your parents to let you 'be' it; I want you to leave this site now and rethink what you're doing. You don't magically turn into something, but you measly slip into it unnoticed. And if people come up to you and say, "Hey! I was Goth in High School too!" then you know they weren't being serious. You grow into it but if you were the real deal, you never grow out. I hope my opinions didn't offend anyone but I just wanted it out there so some could actually learn from it.
1. "Hey! Do you go to church in that?"
"Yes. And my priest compliments me!"
2. "Do you cut yourself? Show me your arms and wrists."
"Oh, wow. Look at that. Nothing on my body! Now why don't you quit harrassing me."
3. "What the heck are you listening to? It makes my ears bleed."
"Kittie and why don't you quit listening to what you're playing in your ears and stuff some cotton balls in your ears."
4. "Are you going to a funeral?"
"Nope. I'm just dressing for any occasion."
5. "Why are you back here?"
"I'm thinking about how my next song I'm writing is going to go."
6. "Bite me, you Goth feak!"
"I don't suck blood. I'm a vegetarian."
7. "Did you hear about the old person that croaked?"
"Nope, but I'm sure you'll tell me about it."
"Yes. And my priest compliments me!"
2. "Do you cut yourself? Show me your arms and wrists."
"Oh, wow. Look at that. Nothing on my body! Now why don't you quit harrassing me."
3. "What the heck are you listening to? It makes my ears bleed."
"Kittie and why don't you quit listening to what you're playing in your ears and stuff some cotton balls in your ears."
4. "Are you going to a funeral?"
"Nope. I'm just dressing for any occasion."
5. "Why are you back here?"
"I'm thinking about how my next song I'm writing is going to go."
6. "Bite me, you Goth feak!"
"I don't suck blood. I'm a vegetarian."
7. "Did you hear about the old person that croaked?"
"Nope, but I'm sure you'll tell me about it."
by Night's Ink August 15, 2009
contrary to normal belief goth is a clothing. goth and gothic are different. to be goth is to wear the clothes, but they are perfectly normal people if approached in the correct way. the only reason that goth people have a standoffish attitude is because they are treated like aliens not people. not all goth kids cut themselves and they dont always like dark poetry. they see the world in ways how it could be better goths appreciate the nicer happier side of life. when they are around people that they feel comfortable with, they talk tell jokes and laugh. most people judge others by the way that they dress not by who they are.
kid1: look at that gothic freak over there.
kid2: dont say thoses things about my friend. hes really nice, you just need to give him respect. he'll respect you in turn.
kid2: dont say thoses things about my friend. hes really nice, you just need to give him respect. he'll respect you in turn.
by chinchillas and goths can be friends April 15, 2006
Firstly,Goths
dont hate everyone
dont want to kill everyone
dont want to kill thenselves
dont live life like dead
arent always sad
dont wear black all the time
are normally just like u!
dont hate everyone
dont want to kill everyone
dont want to kill thenselves
dont live life like dead
arent always sad
dont wear black all the time
are normally just like u!
most people class marilyn manson as a goth! but in his concerts he smiles. he doesnt wear black all the time. he doesnt kill people and if he wanted to kill himself them he'll be dead. everyone is unique! wear what they like, listen to what they like, act like whatever they want! so i really dont think people should be labeled by the way they are!
Were all unique
Were all unique
by Anastasia .D. April 16, 2008
Someone who listens to Goth music, such as darkwave/coldwave/deathrock.
If you don't listen to any goth music, you're not goth, no matter how many black clothes you have and how many Edgar Allan Poe books you've read. Plain and simple.
If you don't listen to any goth music, you're not goth, no matter how many black clothes you have and how many Edgar Allan Poe books you've read. Plain and simple.
Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, (not always but) The Cure and Bauhaus are the most widely known goth music bands.
by PerYngveOhlin August 14, 2020
People who associate themselves or often get associated with the so-called "gothic" movement, a musical style that evolved out of british post-punk and US punk, but which is now really a collection of very diversified, "darker" styles of more electronic or more guitar-ridden music. In "goth" clubs, original "gothic rock" styles got mixed with industrial/EBM music, New Wave and some alternative styles since the late 80ies. In the mid-90ies, labels and magazines promoted some so-called "gothic metal" and "industrial metal" bands out of commercial reasons, and because there were certain parallels in look and imagery of these bands to the gothic scene. In these Days, bands like Paradise Lost or Type o Negative, which were really "softer", sometimes romantic heavy metal bands were massively hyped, leading to newbies back then ignoring the original styles of the movement for those acts. In the Noughties, the metal trend waned and was replaced by another new trend towards a softer, melody-orientated form of EBM: "Future Pop" played by groups like VNV Nation and Apoptygma Berzerk. Additionally, very techno-orientated noise music by bands like Combichrist was getting heavy rotation in the clubs. Both styles are more accessible and easier to consume than former styles and tend to more and more replace all other styles of music associated with gothic scene in the club playlists, which leads to conflicts between "purists" and - usually somewhat younger - fans of the new style.
Actually, there is no proper definition of a special attitude, behaviour or quality of "goth" people. It's just the crowd which is into certain branches of the musical styles associated with goth, which is more or less openly involved in the visuals by dressing up sometimes or all the time in "gothic styles" and which is seen frequently in the nightclubs, at festivals and concerts. So all these narcisstic morons around here, trying to describe goths (i.e. themselves) as especially intelligent, more artistic or non-conformist as the rest are really just indulging themselves in pathetic attempts to talk others into sharing their own deluded self-perception.
If there is a positive attribute you can quite rightfully associate to goth, it should be an overall disinterest in open violence compared to "normal" club/party scenes, but there is usually a lot of behind-the-back bitching going on to compensate for that. Additionally, goth scene doesn't seem to take the same moronic pride in open homophobia as a lot of other poseur scenes, that's why some sexual deviants, like transsexuals and others may experience less open hate and aggression there. But they won't necessarily be easily integrated or get much attention in goth scene.
Besides that, you might easily find a lot of different typical "goth" characters in the scenes, it's not really easy to find a common denominator for those people.
Some are more nerdy types, some typical high-school loners, others are very vain and dandy-like, a lot of introverted, sometimes pretty boring fellas, some are more funny than you'd think at first, some (especially the EBM crowd) are pretty down-to-earth, hard-working, almost stolid types, a lot of very bitchy, moody girls.
Nowadays, some of this 00's techno/cyber crowd seems to be some lukewarm version of the urban hipster, without the intellectualism and the good taste but full of the deeply self-centered meaninglessness and a "consumerist" attitude towards culture.
Most of the definitions of the people around here who dislike goth and are carefully constructing a cherished prejudice about goth people for themselves, center on some perception of the goths as being the real conformists, maintaining individuality but dressing up and behaving all the same. This is essentially not a very individualistic and unique perception, as it has been ripped off the popular "South Park" series, where the Cure-loving creators of the show were really quite tongue-in-cheek about the mockery. But it has been taken drop-dead serious by many and has since repeatedly been barked at the goth crowd as some kind of eternal truth revealed by haters all over the net.
IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY, STUPID! If you're into this style, you're full of passion for it. It's about a conglomerate of - for you - really fascinating music and styles (and admittedly a lot of stupid ones, too), you are so commited to, you just want to be a part of it, showing it just the same as you would show your wedding ring or a tattoo with the name of your lover. There is no problem with that fixed "goth" identity, because it's really up to yourself how you interpret it and fill it with life. You don't just do this do be AGAINST this or that, society, conformists or whatever, although you may personally "use" the style in that sense. It's much more a positive stance towards the styles of the scene that interest you and which you are individually contributing to by dressing up, making music, networking and so on. Nobody will EVER pay attention to you in this scene, if you are devoid of any surprises as a person and cling to some stereotypical behaviour you may associate with "being goth". That's not the way...
Actually, there is no proper definition of a special attitude, behaviour or quality of "goth" people. It's just the crowd which is into certain branches of the musical styles associated with goth, which is more or less openly involved in the visuals by dressing up sometimes or all the time in "gothic styles" and which is seen frequently in the nightclubs, at festivals and concerts. So all these narcisstic morons around here, trying to describe goths (i.e. themselves) as especially intelligent, more artistic or non-conformist as the rest are really just indulging themselves in pathetic attempts to talk others into sharing their own deluded self-perception.
If there is a positive attribute you can quite rightfully associate to goth, it should be an overall disinterest in open violence compared to "normal" club/party scenes, but there is usually a lot of behind-the-back bitching going on to compensate for that. Additionally, goth scene doesn't seem to take the same moronic pride in open homophobia as a lot of other poseur scenes, that's why some sexual deviants, like transsexuals and others may experience less open hate and aggression there. But they won't necessarily be easily integrated or get much attention in goth scene.
Besides that, you might easily find a lot of different typical "goth" characters in the scenes, it's not really easy to find a common denominator for those people.
Some are more nerdy types, some typical high-school loners, others are very vain and dandy-like, a lot of introverted, sometimes pretty boring fellas, some are more funny than you'd think at first, some (especially the EBM crowd) are pretty down-to-earth, hard-working, almost stolid types, a lot of very bitchy, moody girls.
Nowadays, some of this 00's techno/cyber crowd seems to be some lukewarm version of the urban hipster, without the intellectualism and the good taste but full of the deeply self-centered meaninglessness and a "consumerist" attitude towards culture.
Most of the definitions of the people around here who dislike goth and are carefully constructing a cherished prejudice about goth people for themselves, center on some perception of the goths as being the real conformists, maintaining individuality but dressing up and behaving all the same. This is essentially not a very individualistic and unique perception, as it has been ripped off the popular "South Park" series, where the Cure-loving creators of the show were really quite tongue-in-cheek about the mockery. But it has been taken drop-dead serious by many and has since repeatedly been barked at the goth crowd as some kind of eternal truth revealed by haters all over the net.
IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY, STUPID! If you're into this style, you're full of passion for it. It's about a conglomerate of - for you - really fascinating music and styles (and admittedly a lot of stupid ones, too), you are so commited to, you just want to be a part of it, showing it just the same as you would show your wedding ring or a tattoo with the name of your lover. There is no problem with that fixed "goth" identity, because it's really up to yourself how you interpret it and fill it with life. You don't just do this do be AGAINST this or that, society, conformists or whatever, although you may personally "use" the style in that sense. It's much more a positive stance towards the styles of the scene that interest you and which you are individually contributing to by dressing up, making music, networking and so on. Nobody will EVER pay attention to you in this scene, if you are devoid of any surprises as a person and cling to some stereotypical behaviour you may associate with "being goth". That's not the way...
Moron: Hey, you think you're individualistic?
HA! I've seen through you goth fags. You all are wearing black clothes like a uniform. Look at my completely average clothes and my boring face. THAT'S a sign of non-conformity.
HA!
Goth: I conform to things that are important to me.
At least I HAVE something that's important to me, you know? Besides, I LOVE uniforms...
HA! I've seen through you goth fags. You all are wearing black clothes like a uniform. Look at my completely average clothes and my boring face. THAT'S a sign of non-conformity.
HA!
Goth: I conform to things that are important to me.
At least I HAVE something that's important to me, you know? Besides, I LOVE uniforms...
by Bobby Sunshine August 4, 2009
Goth, although once an expression of individuality, is now a commercial image sold by big business. They now have shops such as Emily the Strange that promote and sell the goth image. If you shop at such places you are buying something that everyone can have and probably does have. Ergo, you are not a true goth who wishes to be individual.
Goth, as well as many other social groups, is a box that people are put in so we can organise society. People are labelled to make it easier for others to relate to them. I exhibit many chracteristics of a goth (outlook of the world, sense of humour ect,) but am I one? No. This is because I choose not to buy into a commercial image that has been ruined by our "friends" big business and lemming teenagers.
So, if we follow this philosiphy, everyone who calls themself a goth is a poser and everyone who dresses like a goth is just buying into a commercial entity and is therefore a sellout and a poser.
Goth, as well as many other social groups, is a box that people are put in so we can organise society. People are labelled to make it easier for others to relate to them. I exhibit many chracteristics of a goth (outlook of the world, sense of humour ect,) but am I one? No. This is because I choose not to buy into a commercial image that has been ruined by our "friends" big business and lemming teenagers.
So, if we follow this philosiphy, everyone who calls themself a goth is a poser and everyone who dresses like a goth is just buying into a commercial entity and is therefore a sellout and a poser.
by All the bloody names are taken! July 13, 2006