I recently read Joyce Wiswell's piece entitled "Will - and should - Chaldeans and Assyrians unite?" and I firmly believe that the identity designation of "Chaldean" should not be used interchangeably with "Assyrian.”

Many Assyrians argue that the designation of the Chaldean name is religious, and not cultural. At first, when the Catholic Church gave the Assyrian Catholics the name “Chaldean” in 1553, we shared nearly identical traits in our culture with the other Assyrians. But we are currently living half a millennium after the fact. In those 500 years, Chaldeans have developed their own dialect, traditions, and ways. Our culture is directly correlated to our religion, Catholicism. This doesn’t mean that we cannot have a culture to supplement our strong religious values.

In Michigan alone, there are 120,000 Chaldeans. I would venture to guess that 80% refuse to denote themselves as Assyrians. There’s a reason for this choice; we are no longer the same people. Our parents didn’t just decide that we aren’t Assyrians out of thin air. We’ve acknowledged ourselves as Chaldeans for centuries, and we’ve embraced our culture. It’s ours, and we shouldn’t be willing to compromise it by assimilating into an Assyrian identity. In my 18th year as a Chaldean, I’ve been criticized for not calling myself Assyrian, which isn’t only an identity I don’t associate with, but also a name that will become the end to our culture.

Examine the consequences of Chaldeans accepting ancient relations and identifying themselves as Assyrians. Already, the forced assimilation has occurred in media. A prime example is of the recently martyred Father Ragheed Ganni of Iraq, who was mentioned as an Assyrian priest killed in an Assyrian Church, with no mention of his ties to the Chaldean Catholic Church. Our Chaldean villages, like Telkeppe and Alqosh, are designated as Assyrian villages on the user-edited Wikipedia, which millions of users use as a source of reliable information. Our name is being erased, and this systematic and carefully planned Assyrianization (as I call it), will prove to be the end of the Chaldeans. We'll be remembered historically as the Ancient Chaldeans, and that's if the history books of the future don’t decide to call us Catholic Assyrians.

Assyrianization is very similar to the Arabization process. The Arab name was forced on us in Iraq. We were forced to speak Arabic, and punished when we spoke our mother tongue. Indeed, history repeats itself, and this time, it’s more subtle. This approach is proving an end to our rich culture, just by simply identifying as an Assyrian. As I’ve already illustrated, there’s so much to a name; it is not just a name.

Hopefully, Assyrian groups will not insist an identity change from the Chaldeans. It is my hope that we can work together, without forcing an identity on anyone else, in order to help our suffering people of Iraq. We’re related to the Assyrians historically, but we’re no longer the same people. We’re simply Modern Assyrians and Modern Chaldeans. We’re different. And everyone should assess the consequences of this very important issue before a culture is erased.


-Hadeer
ashur (assyrian): i love assyria!

yousif (chaldean): bro, assyria doesn't exist anymore
by swedennnnnnnnn September 04, 2008
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to make it simple: Christians that originated in ancient-Mesopotamia and now settle in northern Iraq... Detroit, MI, San Diego, CA, Windsor, ON, and various parts of Europe and Asia.

the truth:

Chaldeans don't give a fuck about anything except the important things in life: Family (friends are already considered family) and Prosperity. Also to get married so they don't have to hear "whenna zowage whenna zowage" everyday we wake up. The only way you will ever be able to get into a Chaldeans house is when you are respected and only that- respect is more important than anything and it goes both ways.

Upon taking your shoes off after you close the door behind you, you are greeted by parents who want to know your last name and what village you're from and if you know 30-40 other Chaldeans they might think you're related to. At the end of these type of conversations you find out you're basically my 4th cousin and you are welcome to help yourself to the fridge anytime you are in the hood. By this point you will notice ashtrays are actually being used for Pistachio shells and there are several plates of almonds/cashews/sunflowerseeds all put at strategic places - by televisions or phones or where baba sits. That and there are two freezers and we're not alowwed to let you know where the other one is because it contains 3000$ worth of meats.

It doesn't matter how old you are, if you're Chaldean and you're 16 or 24 your mom will still give you a call if its past midnight and let you know shes not going to sleep until you walk in. 99% of the time you'll walk into the house past 3am and find out she's still awake watching al-ashur/al-jeerza (DISH) because its the morning back home and the best drama shows come on at this time.

The only reason Chaldeans came to the U.S. was because Saddam took over Iraq and completely fucked everything up there. The U.S. was the easiest place to make money, and that's why we control every corner in Detroit and it only took us 20 years(without learning how to properly speak english, bitches.) That's life, you work hard and take chances then you will be rewarded.

There are only about 1-2 million Chaldeans (more if you would like to include Assyrians) total. In Michigan, most live in Sterling Heights, Detroit, and everything between (Warren, Madison Heights, Hazel Park, Royal Oak, Southfield, etc.) People on the east hate people on the west but we only hate eachother after hating bait en john's and quadas.
typical conversation between Chaldeans:

Khalid: "Brashid Babukh those are some hadeed Force's cuz meriam athera on my grandmothers life."

Tarboosh: "Habibi they were tax free from this abbid that sold them to me for 10$ at the liquor store."

Khalid: "Say I swear to God."

Tarboosh: "Meriam."
by KayDoe November 07, 2006
Chaldeans are good, hard working people. I am not Chaldean, yet I can say from my own experiences that these people are truly good-natured and caring, and that they deserve more respect. From even before Christ until today, Chaldeans have been an important part of the history of our world as we know it. Assyrian, through my research i have found that Assyrians and Chaldeans are so close in ancenstry that they are sometimes called Chaldo-Assyrian. Aren't you, in effect, disparaging your own ethnicity and background by posting the definition above? Chaldeans deserve to be recognized for what they are: a kind hearted, hard working Christian people.
Chaldeans' status in American society today is a great example of their tremendous character as a people.
by A.J. Stevenson January 27, 2004
We are not Arabs Stop Calling Us arabs. Chaldeans Speak Aramaic that is there original language we are the orginal inhabitiants of Iraq orginally called mesopotamia. We are a minority among Arabs. We are Roman Catholics. Arabs killed most of our people and forced many to convert we are not arabs!!! Some chaldeans may speak arabic only because they were raised around arabs and there culture. Just like when the white people came and took this land from the native americans. the same thing happened in the middle east we are the original inhabitiants of that land. There is good and bad in all people there good arabs and bad arabs good jews and bad jews good christians and bad christians. Stop being prejiduice and stop judging an entire race on a few people's actions everyone is different when you judge everyone on the actions of a few you are prejudice. Stop hating each other just live life in peace.
chaldean, chaldeans, iraq, michigan, roman catholic, catholic
by kevinjoseph August 24, 2007
The Chaldean People are basically the roman catholic population from/in Iraq. We have a deep importance in history, EX. 1 We were one the first civilizations in mesopatamia (ancient Iraq) and also the Chaldean language derives from Aramaic (the language that Jesus spoke). Most of Chaldeans now live in Iraq, as well as Detroit, Arizona, and also California. Very warm hearted, kind, and hard working ppl. The caucasion ppl in the EMINEM video, welcom to Detroit are all CHALDEAN.
Royce Da 59 - Detroit, A city full of Tommy Hearst thumpers,Grant Hill hoopers, Barry Sanders runners, stunners,and chaldeans we connects like whoa!

^^^^^^PS. FUCK THAT COCK SUCKIN WHITE BOY (Spartan) WHO WROTE THAT COMMENT ABOVE MINE. LET ME CATCH U IN THE D! BITCH.
by DetroitTom May 05, 2006
A "Catholic" or Christian from an area of Iraq. While Arab, they are Christians. More of them in Detroit now than in Iraq. They are successful business people who control the grocery, meat and party store business. Often resented by blacks and whites who are too lazy to work fourteen hour days to establish themselves and their relatives.
Them Chaledan motherfuckers own the "D"

Often refered to as "sand niggers" and "terrorists".
by Joe Bomarito July 31, 2005
Assyrian by race and Chaldean by faith. Chaldeans (as they are often referred to) are Assyrians who belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church. Many Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) do not consider themselves Assyrian because of their close association with the Catholic church and not the Assyrian church of the East or any other Assyrian church. However, you will still find many Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) who know that they are Assyrian and will admit it. For some reason, many Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) claim to be Arabic (why the hell they would do that, i dont know), when in actuality they are Assyrians who speak a dialect that seems to have been mixed with both Aramaic (Assyrian) and Arabic. The Assyrian Democratic Movement (ZOWAA) has gone one step further in including the Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) name into the name of the Assyrians....Chaldo-Ashur. This is a highly debated issue among the Assyrian nation, as to why the Chaldean name (a religous name and not the name of an actual race) is intertwined with the national name of Assyrians (Ashurayeh). Oddly enough, the attempt by ZOWAA to unite the Assyrian nation has actually widened the gap between Assyrian non-catholics and Assyrian catholics (chaldeans); many chaldeans do not want to be considered as Assyrians and many Assyrians in turn do not want the Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) to be part of the nation if they so strongly despise their own blood........Wake up Assyrian catholics (chaldeans) of the world...United we can have our own country!!!
The Assyrians are descendants of the people of ancient Mesopotamia, succeeding the Sumero-Akkadian and the Babylonians as one continuous civilization. They are among the first nations who accepted Christianity. Most belong to one of these four churches; the Chaldean Uniate, the Syrian Orthodox Church, the Syrian Catholic Church, and the Assyrian Church of the East. ** It is important to note that all of the above churches and their members are part of the Assyrian nation.
The proper name given by the Pope to describe the ethnic Assyrians who split from the Assyrian Church Of the East to the Roman Catholic Church known as the Great Schism. They speak a dialect of Chaldean Neo-Aramaic. For four centuries the Catholic Church tried to convert the Assyrians to Catholicism. It must be mentioned that the Assyrians of different religious denominations (Orthodoxy, Nestorian, Catholic, Maronite etc.), due to their lack of education, are not united as one nation but hate each other, thinking the others are foreigners!
The King of Assyria; Essarhadon, had 2 sons named Ashurbanipal (who had already been in control of Nineveh to the North) and Shamash-shum-ukin (The Predecessor of KALDU). After King Essarhadon's death, Babylonia was left to be governed by his son Shamash-shum-ukin and eventually revolted against his brother in 652 BC. In 626 Bc, Babylon had eventually threw off the Assyrian rule under King Nabopolassar's reign thus creating the Neo-Babylonian Empire (Chaldean Empire) with Babylon as the capital.
by iLLeZt June 11, 2007

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