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I recently read Joyce Wiswell's piece entitled "Will - and should - Chaldeans and Assyrians unite?" and I firmly believe that the identity designation of "Chaldean" should not be used interchangeably with "Assyrian.”

Many Assyrians argue that the designation of the Chaldean name is religious, and not cultural. At first, when the Catholic Church gave the Assyrian Catholics the name “Chaldean” in 1553, we shared nearly identical traits in our culture with the other Assyrians. But we are currently living half a millennium after the fact. In those 500 years, Chaldeans have developed their own dialect, traditions, and ways. Our culture is directly correlated to our religion, Catholicism. This doesn’t mean that we cannot have a culture to supplement our strong religious values.

In Michigan alone, there are 120,000 Chaldeans. I would venture to guess that 80% refuse to denote themselves as Assyrians. There’s a reason for this choice; we are no longer the same people. Our parents didn’t just decide that we aren’t Assyrians out of thin air. We’ve acknowledged ourselves as Chaldeans for centuries, and we’ve embraced our culture. It’s ours, and we shouldn’t be willing to compromise it by assimilating into an Assyrian identity. In my 18th year as a Chaldean, I’ve been criticized for not calling myself Assyrian, which isn’t only an identity I don’t associate with, but also a name that will become the end to our culture.

Examine the consequences of Chaldeans accepting ancient relations and identifying themselves as Assyrians. Already, the forced assimilation has occurred in media. A prime example is of the recently martyred Father Ragheed Ganni of Iraq, who was mentioned as an Assyrian priest killed in an Assyrian Church, with no mention of his ties to the Chaldean Catholic Church. Our Chaldean villages, like Telkeppe and Alqosh, are designated as Assyrian villages on the user-edited Wikipedia, which millions of users use as a source of reliable information. Our name is being erased, and this systematic and carefully planned Assyrianization (as I call it), will prove to be the end of the Chaldeans. We'll be remembered historically as the Ancient Chaldeans, and that's if the history books of the future don’t decide to call us Catholic Assyrians.

Assyrianization is very similar to the Arabization process. The Arab name was forced on us in Iraq. We were forced to speak Arabic, and punished when we spoke our mother tongue. Indeed, history repeats itself, and this time, it’s more subtle. This approach is proving an end to our rich culture, just by simply identifying as an Assyrian. As I’ve already illustrated, there’s so much to a name; it is not just a name.

Hopefully, Assyrian groups will not insist an identity change from the Chaldeans. It is my hope that we can work together, without forcing an identity on anyone else, in order to help our suffering people of Iraq. We’re related to the Assyrians historically, but we’re no longer the same people. We’re simply Modern Assyrians and Modern Chaldeans. We’re different. And everyone should assess the consequences of this very important issue before a culture is erased.


-Hadeer
ashur (assyrians): i love assyria!

yousif (chaldeans): bro, assyria doesn't exist anymore
by swedennnnnnnnn September 04, 2008
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Chaldeans are Arab people who are Christians.
I am not American or Chaldean. There are a few things I've come to known while being in the USA.
*Its true, some white people (and some black ) don't like Chaldeans.
*Some Chaldeans don't like white people.
*That's just life - everybody can't like everybody!

But... it's a fact that most Chaldean people are hard working people! And they deserve every cent that comes their way (some young Chaldeans help support of their whole family at home) SO WHAT if some of them or their dad's own liqour stores or gas stations! ( "Your daddy own a gas station and doesn't pay taxes, now get the fuck out of here." ) You get your gas there and buy liqour form them every weekend...!
"SPARTANS" You remind me... no you are AMERICAN JEALOUS WHITE TRASH! You call then "CAMELS" , i call you a COWARD!
I would really like to see you say SHUT UP to a Chaldean - IF I can still see you after that... LOL! In your dreams LOZZZZER! Face it you are the only PUSSY here!

I don't understand why people don't get this! 90% Of Americans have German, Italian, African ect. in their family tree! ( backround ) That means if you only want "pure americans" here... sorry to say there would be maybe 3 left in this country! Yes, they are AMERICAN citizens AND SO ARE some Chaldeans (arabs) that's born here!

If you want to blame someone, BLAME SADDAM HUSSEIN! HE is the reason some Americans do not like Chaldeans(arabs). Because some STUPID Americans think if you are any kind of middle eastern person - YOU are "bad!" Some people dont even know that arabs can be MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN! Saddam Hussein is the reanon that some Chaldeans (Arabs) had to leave the Middle East (Iraq) to come to the USA - that's not so great by the way!

A few last word for you "SPARTANS" and others like you! Chaldeans (Arabs) are getting more and more in DETROIT and all over the USA - DEAL with it! YOU might be working under a Chaldean one day! I suggest YOU change your attitude!

STOP talking shit aboout CHALDEANS - you might get your ass kicked by an CHALDEAN and his cousins HECK make it the whole family! LOL
by loezie November 29, 2006
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An immigrant (sometimes illegal) from an Arab nation who either owns or has a close relative who owns a liquor store or gas station and has limited education.

Known to pack with fellow chaldeans for purposes of feeling secure and powerful although possessing very little security or power in reality.

Never mature emotionally and are distrustful of true americans. Pack in groups and never learn to function on their own. Furthermore, they don't integrate into the american culture well and tend to keep their arab ways of life which is mostly annoying. Not well liked by the general population.
I need to grab a six pack and some smokes....OK, I'm running up to the chaldean store, be back in 10 mins.
by boomer323 June 21, 2010
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Chaldeans are Arab people who are Christians.
I am not American or Chaldean. There are a few things I've come to known while being in the USA.
*Its true, some white people (and some black ) don't like Chaldeans.
*Some Chaldeans don't like white people.
*That's just life - everybody can't like everybody!

But... it's a fact that most Chaldean people are hard working people! And they deserve every cent that comes their way (some young Chaldeans help support of their whole family at home) SO WHAT if some of them or their dad's own liqour stores or gas stations! ( "Your daddy own a gas station and doesn't pay taxes, now get the fuck out of here." ) You get your gas there and buy liqour form them every weekend...!
"SPARTANS" You remind me... no you are AMERICAN JEALOUS WHITE TRASH! You call then "CAMELS" , i call you a COWARD!
I would really like to see you say SHUT UP to a Chaldean - IF I can still see you after that... LOL! In your dreams LOZZZZER! Face it you are the only PUSSY here!

I don't understand why people don't get this! 90% Of Americans have German, Italian, African ect. in their family tree! ( backround ) That means if you only want "pure americans" here... sorry to say there would be maybe 3 left in this country! Yes, they are AMERICAN citizens AND SO ARE some Chaldeans (arabs) that's born here!

If you want to blame someone, BLAME SADDAM HUSSEIN! HE is the reason some Americans do not like Chaldeans(arabs). Because some STUPID Americans think if you are any kind of middle eastern person - YOU are "bad!" Some people dont even know that arabs can be MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN! Saddam Hussein is the reanon that some Chaldeans (Arabs) had to leave the Middle East (Iraq) to come to the USA - that's not so great by the way!

A few last word for you "SPARTANS" and others like you! Chaldeans (Arabs) are getting more and more in DETROIT and all over the USA - DEAL with it! YOU might be working under a Chaldean one day! I suggest YOU change your attitude!

STOP talking shit aboout CHALDEANS - you might get your ass kicked by an CHALDEAN and his cousins HECK make it the whole family! LOL
by loezie December 14, 2006
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A lot of Assyrians are too proud of their roots, so they love proving that Chaldeans are really Assyrians.

Let me say, if you are Chaldean, more than likely, you are historically Catholic. The name came from the Catholic church back in the 15th century to break ties Chaldeans (babylonians at the time) from their previous ties identities to other groups. Chaldeans maintain full communion with the Pope in Rome today.

But the Assyrian population is not constrained by the Catholic religion. There are many different religious affiliations with the Assyrian identity, such as the Assyrian Church of the East, Assyrian Evangelical Church, and Assyrian Pentecostal Church, to name a few.

Assyrian Catholics and Chaldean Catholics are ancient people, and chaldeans, syriacs, and assyrians came from one people and then split off into 3 groups, but both groups have evolved, so for anyone to say we are the same people are extremely ignorant.



But let's say we are all Assyrian. Taking this information from the Assyrian International News Agency (AINA), 45% of Assyrians are Chaldeans (i.e. THE MAJORITY). The Assyrian identity proponents want a majority to change their name?

Finally, as a little anecdote, as my uncle/boss was reading the article (he is around 38 years old), he asked me "what is an Assyrian?" If that doesn't clearly illustrate to you why we shoud not change our name, then I don't know what will. If a man does not even know what an Assyrian is, how can we forge through the trenches and call him an Assyrian, something he knows nothing about?



Chaldeans can unite with Assyrians not through name change; it is completely unnecessary and irrelevant. When you say "Save Christians of Iraq" that encompasses all Christians, not just Chaldeans, Assyrians, and Syriacs. "Assyrian" is NOT a great unifier. Whoever decided to start this whole Assyrian campaign is an idiot. It is offensive, unintelligent, and based on hubris. It is the sole reason that there is a division today. I'm happy that Chaldeans aren't laying down and taking everything they are being spoon fed for face value. I am one of those THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Chaldeans.


Chaldeans seperating from Assyrians is older from the Americans seperating from the English. Does that make Americans truly English? NO.


- H.S.
Ashur (assyrians): YOU'RE ALL ASSYRIAN! WE MUST SAVE THE ASSYRIAN NAME SO WE CAN GET OUR LAND AND SAVE OUR PEOPLE!

Brando (syriacs): Okay, let's call ourselves syrian and get the land

Sargon (assyrians): NEVER!

Yousif (chaldeans): Yeah, you tell 'em, Brando!
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catholics who separated their selves from assyrians and are not assyrians, speak differently than assyrians, were not the first civilization in mesopatamia, and are not too historically known and important.
I am chaldean but i think i am assyrian
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I recently read Joyce Wiswell's piece entitled "Will - and should - Chaldeans and Assyrians unite?" and I firmly believe that the identity designation of "Chaldean" should not be used interchangeably with "Assyrian.”

Many Assyrians argue that the designation of the Chaldean name is religious, and not cultural. At first, when the Catholic Church gave the Assyrian Catholics the name “Chaldean” in 1553, we shared nearly identical traits in our culture with the other Assyrians. But we are currently living half a millennium after the fact. In those 500 years, Chaldeans have developed their own dialect, traditions, and ways. Our culture is directly correlated to our religion, Catholicism. This doesn’t mean that we cannot have a culture to supplement our strong religious values.

In Michigan alone, there are 120,000 Chaldeans. I would venture to guess that 80% refuse to denote themselves as Assyrians. There’s a reason for this choice; we are no longer the same people. Our parents didn’t just decide that we aren’t Assyrians out of thin air. We’ve acknowledged ourselves as Chaldeans for centuries, and we’ve embraced our culture. It’s ours, and we shouldn’t be willing to compromise it by assimilating into an Assyrian identity. In my 18th year as a Chaldean, I’ve been criticized for not calling myself Assyrian, which isn’t only an identity I don’t associate with, but also a name that will become the end to our culture.

Examine the consequences of Chaldeans accepting ancient relations and identifying themselves as Assyrians. Already, the forced assimilation has occurred in media. A prime example is of the recently martyred Father Ragheed Ganni of Iraq, who was mentioned as an Assyrian priest killed in an Assyrian Church, with no mention of his ties to the Chaldean Catholic Church. Our Chaldean villages, like Telkeppe and Alqosh, are designated as Assyrian villages on the user-edited Wikipedia, which millions of users use as a source of reliable information. Our name is being erased, and this systematic and carefully planned Assyrianization (as I call it), will prove to be the end of the Chaldeans. We'll be remembered historically as the Ancient Chaldeans, and that's if the history books of the future don’t decide to call us Catholic Assyrians.

Assyrianization is very similar to the Arabization process. The Arab name was forced on us in Iraq. We were forced to speak Arabic, and punished when we spoke our mother tongue. Indeed, history repeats itself, and this time, it’s more subtle. This approach is proving an end to our rich culture, just by simply identifying as an Assyrian. As I’ve already illustrated, there’s so much to a name; it is not just a name.

Hopefully, Assyrian groups will not insist an identity change from the Chaldeans. It is my hope that we can work together, without forcing an identity on anyone else, in order to help our suffering people of Iraq. We’re related to the Assyrians historically, but we’re no longer the same people. We’re simply Modern Assyrians and Modern Chaldeans. We’re different. And everyone should assess the consequences of this very important issue before a culture is erased.


-Hadeer
ashur (assyrian): i love assyria!

yousif (chaldean): bro, assyria doesn't exist anymore
by swedennnnnnnnn September 04, 2008
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